On the Genealogy of Morals
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For the first time in Penguin Classics: Nietzsche’s accessible exploration of key ideas in his landmark Beyond Good and Evil—in a lucid new translation
Friedrich Nietzsche claimed that the purpose of On the Genealogy of Morals was to call attention to his previous writings。 But in fact the book does much more than that， elucidating and expanding on the cryptic aphorisms of Beyond Good and Evil， and presenting a coherent discussion of morality in a work that is more accessible than much of his previous writings。
Friedrich Nietzsche claimed that the purpose of On the Genealogy of Morals was to call attention to his previous writings。 But in fact the book does much more than that， elucidating and expanding on the cryptic aphorisms of Beyond Good and Evil， and presenting a coherent discussion of morality in a work that is more accessible than much of his previous writings。
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Nabokov Nabokov
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Ý tưởng của Nietzsche bạt ngàn khủng khiếp， cũng chính vì Nietzsche mà có Heidegger， Sartre， Foucault， Derrida， Deleuze。Foucault là người kế thừa Nietzsche vĩ đại nhất， chứ không phải Deleuze。 Foucault đề ra khảo cổ học tri thức và phả hệ học quyền lực dựa trên phả hệ học của Nietzsche， từ đó tìm ra cách thức khác để hiểu hơn về lịch sử， mối quan hệ giữa nguyên nhân và hệ quả。
bimri
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Read 📖 the last chapter only if you're in a hurry。 😅 Nietzsche sums up the entire essence of the book there。Read the whole of it， if you're particularly interested in the - low level philosophizing （low level means the fundamental level）。。。 The basic abstractions which can be dull。 But to some degree there are contradictions with this work。 An attribute I've come across in the philosophy circles pertaining Nietzsche's works！ Read 📖 the last chapter only if you're in a hurry。 😅 Nietzsche sums up the entire essence of the book there。Read the whole of it， if you're particularly interested in the - low level philosophizing （low level means the fundamental level）。。。 The basic abstractions which can be dull。 But to some degree there are contradictions with this work。 An attribute I've come across in the philosophy circles pertaining Nietzsche's works！ 。。。more
Kevin Wilcox
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Nietzsche on his best behavior - clear， focussed， and well-referenced。 A good introduction to the towering 19th century existential philosopher at his most refined and mature。
Lorenzo Scarafia
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A deeply rooted and fascinating philosophical inquiry about the nature of good and evil， right and wrong passing from an introduction of how the European thought came to represent the good and the bad。 The ascetic ideals make you reflect on how limited our knowledge is， and how wrong we are to mock the ascetic ideals that go beyond perceived and accustomed knowledge。 And the entire inquiry ends with Nietzsche pointing out what might possibly be the future of the European man。I am though still tr A deeply rooted and fascinating philosophical inquiry about the nature of good and evil， right and wrong passing from an introduction of how the European thought came to represent the good and the bad。 The ascetic ideals make you reflect on how limited our knowledge is， and how wrong we are to mock the ascetic ideals that go beyond perceived and accustomed knowledge。 And the entire inquiry ends with Nietzsche pointing out what might possibly be the future of the European man。I am though still trying to comprehend many points of his philosophical dialogue， and I am considering rereading it。 。。。more
Pedro LF
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No miente Nietzsche cuando dice: "yo no soy un hombre， soy dinamita"。 No miente Nietzsche cuando dice: "yo no soy un hombre， soy dinamita"。 。。。more
Alex
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A must read。 Very clever ideas。 The writing is very emotional and sometimes teased。 My next task for a re-read of Nietzsche's books - to find people that he liked。 One of them was Homer。 He was a very angry man， I suspect that he wrote / complained about his shortcomings and impotence and what it takes to become a superhuman （so a human devoided of that impotence / shortcomings）。 A must read。 Very clever ideas。 The writing is very emotional and sometimes teased。 My next task for a re-read of Nietzsche's books - to find people that he liked。 One of them was Homer。 He was a very angry man， I suspect that he wrote / complained about his shortcomings and impotence and what it takes to become a superhuman （so a human devoided of that impotence / shortcomings）。 。。。more
Lindsay Lane
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If people （read: I） have to look up the cliff’s notes to make sure I’m understanding what I’m reading， it’s not getting 4 stars。Based on the meaning I researched， other people here define the specifics better than I could， so I won’t get into it。 Essentially， it’s a book on the history of morals， ethics， and self-discipline。 I can see how it was a ground-breaking work when it was published， though I never could get into it because it was wordy and unclear。 I am not ascetic enough to reread this If people （read: I） have to look up the cliff’s notes to make sure I’m understanding what I’m reading， it’s not getting 4 stars。Based on the meaning I researched， other people here define the specifics better than I could， so I won’t get into it。 Essentially， it’s a book on the history of morals， ethics， and self-discipline。 I can see how it was a ground-breaking work when it was published， though I never could get into it because it was wordy and unclear。 I am not ascetic enough to reread this book to solidify my understanding。 。。。more
David Jinkins
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Watching suffering is good for people， making someone suffer is even better–that is a harsh principle， but an old， powerful， and human， all-too-human major principle， which， by the way， even the apes might agree with。 For people say that， in thinking up bizarre cruelties， the apes already anticipate a great many human actions and， as it were， ‘act them out。’ Without cruelty there is no celebration: that’s what the oldest and longest era of human history teaches us – and with punishment， too， the Watching suffering is good for people， making someone suffer is even better–that is a harsh principle， but an old， powerful， and human， all-too-human major principle， which， by the way， even the apes might agree with。 For people say that， in thinking up bizarre cruelties， the apes already anticipate a great many human actions and， as it were， ‘act them out。’ Without cruelty there is no celebration: that’s what the oldest and longest era of human history teaches us – and with punishment， too， there is so much celebration！With these ideas， by the way， I have no desire whatsoever to give our pessimists grist for their discordant mills grating with the weariness of life。 On the contrary， I want to state very clearly that in that period when human beings had not yet become ashamed of their cruelty， life on earth was happier than it is today， now that we have our pessimists。 The darkening of heaven over men’s heads has always increased quickly in proportion to the growth of human beings’ shame at human beings。 The tired pessimistic look， the mistrust of the riddle of life， the icy denial stemming from disgust with life–these are not the signs of the wickedest eras in the history of human beings。 It’s more the case that they first come to light as the swamp plants they are when the swamp to which they belong is there–I mean the sickly mollycoddling and moralizing， thanks to which the animal ‘man’ finally learns to feel shame about all his instincts。 -On the Genealogy of Morals: A Polemic， Nietzsche My first exposure to Nietzsche was in a political philosophy class I took in college。 The class wasn’t about Nietzsche at all， but the tight-black-tshirt-wearing professor was a big fan， and there was no better way to get him off topic than by mentioning Nietzsche’s name。 I don’t remember the details of his rants about the will to power， but I do remember that they would induce my will to the end of the lecture。Now I finally got around to reading some Nietzsche myself。 Nietzsche signals his style in the title: On the Geneaology of Morals: A Polemic。 In every sentence， if Nietzsche isn’t yelling， he is snarling and simmering。 Scholars apparently consider this book to be his greatest。 Without the aggressive， angry tone， it would have been much less effective at what it does。 The book presents a somewhat plausible system of morality， quite different from my own commonsense morality。 That is not how Nietzsche would have described the main theme of the book。 He writes the story of how modern moral intuitions came to be。 The book is difficult to summarize， but I’ll try my best。 According to Nietzsche， primitive people could not take responsibility for their actions because of their forgetfulness。 Noble rulers created states in which people lived together。 The predictability required for living together in society required that people could promise to follow social customs。 The only way to get primitive people to remember their promises was through terrible punishments， so these early rulers imposed severe suffering on those who broke social rules。Society protected its members from external threats， but it also required them to tame their instincts。 Social people internalized the rules necessary for living in harmony。 This was the beginning of slave morality。 The tamed people were unable to act on their urges to harm others， so they turned back on themselves。 After someone began living in society， he began to hate himself for his human instincts。 The situation was made worse by ascetic priests and philosophers， who tended to be found among populations of tamed people。 These ascetics thought of life as something unfortunate， as merely a bridge to something better。 Worst of all， these self-denying ascetics claimed that they were the good and the just in society， and that the powerful nobles were evil。 The ascetics rejected health， success， pride， and power， and convinced those fortunate and strong that they did not have a right to be happy since there is too much misery in the world。 The Christian ascetics taught that god himself suffered and died because people acted according to their natures， and that these sinners should feel guilty。Fast forward to modern times。 Atheists proudly declare that god is dead， but the moral views they defend are no more than a secularization of Christian slave morality。 The modern ascetic is no longer a priest， but a scientist。 The scientist is equally disconnected from life， distracted by dark matter and social welfare functions， and looking forward to a techno-utopia in the future。 Modern atheists don't buck Christianity enough。 They kill god， but accept everything else。 Along the way to telling this story， Nietzsche takes all sorts of detours and diversions。 He spends quite a few pages criticizing Richard Wagner for praising chastity in his later works， for example （artists should be sensual！）。 One of the diversions that I found most interesting was his discussion of punishment。 Nietzsche writes that although there are many interpretations of the purpose of punishment， its fundamental purpose is to compensate for harm。 If someone steals from you， you punish them。 But a punishment can only be compensation， he reasons， if we find it enjoyable to see someone suffer。 There is indeed something to the idea that it is pleasurable to see the guilty suffer。 On Facebook today， a friend shared a news article about an elderly woman who beat up a young man who attacked her。 Someone left a comment that he hoped the young man was crippled。 My friend responded that his comment made her smile。I find Nietzsche’s account of the beginnings of morality utterly unconvincing as an actual history。 It reads too much like a just-so story in the vein of Locke or Rousseau’s state of nature （incidentally， Nietzsche criticizes them， writing that societies don’t start with a contract， they start with the will of a powerful ruler）。 The book did， however， make me question some of my moral intuitions。 His bombastic style lends an air of plausibility to his moral claims。 Reading the book is like hearing a politician on a stump speech。 Nietzsche passionately shouts at the reader that common sense morality is a sickness， and that a better， life-affirming morality is possible。Upon reflection， though， it isn’t clear why Nietzsche’s morality is better than my own modern sensibilities。 I have my moral intuition that suffering is bad， and a world with less suffering is a better world。 I have an egalitarian intuition that every person has equal value。 There are veil of ignorance arguments that suggest that justice itself is fairness。 On what basis should I privilege Nietzsche’s counter-intuitive moral ideas about strength and power being more important than suffering？The Genealogy of Morals is not a long book， and I gather from talking to a more well read friend that it is relatively easy read by Nietzsche's standards。 It was provocative， and I recommend it。 I had copies on a few devices as I was reading it， all in different translation。 My favorite was the free 2014 translation by Ian Johnston， which is clear and uses relatively simple vocabulary。 。。。more
Evan Moore
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Nietzsche would have ruined me as a teenager。 I keep thinking of Paul Dano's character in Little Miss Sunshine and know myself to be of that sort--just short of a vow of silence and all。 His work is mesmerizing in its zeal and critique， much to my liking during a time when the world was an enemy to me。 Having read his books later in my life， I am thankful to see his work while my hunger for knowledge is no more fathomed and my experience of the world is richer， if only by a smidge。 To summarize Nietzsche would have ruined me as a teenager。 I keep thinking of Paul Dano's character in Little Miss Sunshine and know myself to be of that sort--just short of a vow of silence and all。 His work is mesmerizing in its zeal and critique， much to my liking during a time when the world was an enemy to me。 Having read his books later in my life， I am thankful to see his work while my hunger for knowledge is no more fathomed and my experience of the world is richer， if only by a smidge。 To summarize in the most depraved， ill begotten way， Geneaology of Morals is a avid mess of genius。 It suffers little from the ranting and the slandering apart from the not-so-infrequent paroxysms of misogyny and old man shaking of the fists。 What do you expect from the 19th century？This is all to say that anything Nietzsche writes is problematic， but that's important in itself。 It's impossible to ignore the passion and I'm liable to forgive or ignore what amounts to unimportant baggage。 How much it will impact your enjoyment is subjective to the t。 Recommended for those who mistrust the day old cup of water。 。。。more
Adrien
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La première dissertation est passionnante et plutôt facile d'accès！ J'ai eu plus de mal avec les deux autres mais des recherches annexes m'ont permis d’approfondir et de mieux saisir les enjeux de l'intégralité du texte。 C'est très puissant tout ça。 La première dissertation est passionnante et plutôt facile d'accès！ J'ai eu plus de mal avec les deux autres mais des recherches annexes m'ont permis d’approfondir et de mieux saisir les enjeux de l'intégralité du texte。 C'est très puissant tout ça。 。。。more
Nv
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Once the acne clears， post-adolescent males should read this a second time to realize everything they （I） thought they （I） knew about Nietzschean philosophy is wrong。 In a world of Youtube creators and Alex Jones， N's polemical style is a bit jarring， but everything he reveals about his conception of philosophy has a remarkably Straussian justification of both itself and the way it is delivered。 In its potently paradoxical combination of complexity and transparency， it is easy to see just how vu Once the acne clears， post-adolescent males should read this a second time to realize everything they （I） thought they （I） knew about Nietzschean philosophy is wrong。 In a world of Youtube creators and Alex Jones， N's polemical style is a bit jarring， but everything he reveals about his conception of philosophy has a remarkably Straussian justification of both itself and the way it is delivered。 In its potently paradoxical combination of complexity and transparency， it is easy to see just how vulnerable it is to La mort de l'auteur and the rampant perversion of his ideas， something the translator/commentator blames his sister for， but really she is just the vergangliche Gleichnis here。 To the sensitive reader who takes the proper nouns and politics too literally， this is a hateful and dangerous book。 To the paranoiac （reading to pass the time before hearing of a rejection from art school perhaps） who mistakes metaphorical teleonomy for insidious teleology， this is a rousing and frightening book。 To the modern rationalist， a confusing work of contradictions， whose take on nihilism and misanthropy is contained more instructively in the fate of the author than the book itself。 To the Neo-Kantian of reasonable pluralism， an embodied expression of a human condition， not the human condition。 It seems to me， though， that it is only fully enjoyed for all its abstrusely disguised hopefulness and beauty， if seen as a work of art， a beautiful truthful lie faithful to the Schopenhauer he inv0kes so often。 As a meta-biography in the vein of Goethe or Mann， it comes closer to Dostoevsky and Stendhal， and is cleansed of its various superficial pathologies。 NotesVermoralisierung vs moralisierungSittlichkeit der Sitte - vs MoralVerbrecher - criminal as a breaker。 The flipside of precise morphology， the use of its original meaning ‘breaker’ needs to be called out specifically for the German reader。 Similar to the confidence illusion judging size of Detroit vs Madison accurately， but Hanover vs Mannheim incorrectly。 Vergeher - transgression， something has gone wrong。Einverleibung - incorporate in the original senseAblosung as redemption （discharge debt）Glaube im Glaubiger - faith in creditor。 Creditor as ‘truster’Verachten （contempt） at least retains acceptance of the concept of respect （Achten） 。。。more
Sharif
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This book is an absolute revelation。 The most insightful book on the nature of morality and moral philosophy I've ever read。 My life is changed for the better because of it。 This book is an absolute revelation。 The most insightful book on the nature of morality and moral philosophy I've ever read。 My life is changed for the better because of it。 。。。more
Daniel Guarín
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The main idea is brilliant。 Nietzsche has a very good point trying to understand what or why we consider things good of bad。 Sometimes overwhelming， but definitely a great philosophical book。
Gui Grupenmacher
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Just don't do it。 Just don't do it。 。。。more
R。J。
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Did I read every word。。。no。 Did I get close enough， yes。 I read both of the first two essays and a majority of the third。
Lucia
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Breathing in that good ass prana！
Anh
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Be careful。 This book might turn your worldview upside down by calling into question everything you have always considered as "unquestionable" moral values。 Whether you agree with the author's answers to those questions is secondary。 The point is to raise questions that everyone has always feared to ask and tried their best to avoid。 Be careful。 This book might turn your worldview upside down by calling into question everything you have always considered as "unquestionable" moral values。 Whether you agree with the author's answers to those questions is secondary。 The point is to raise questions that everyone has always feared to ask and tried their best to avoid。 。。。more
carson blakeley
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"Man will desire oblivion rather than not desire at all。"Friedrich Nietzsche is perhaps the most notable philosopher in all of human history and On the Genealogy of Morals is perhaps one of his most notorious work。 Going into the book knowing this， I was severely underwhelmed。 On the Genealogy of Morals is a collection of three essays where Nietzsche argues for nihilism， the ascetic ideal （the lacking of purpose）， and the origins of our moral preconceptions。At his best， Nietzsche makes interesti "Man will desire oblivion rather than not desire at all。"Friedrich Nietzsche is perhaps the most notable philosopher in all of human history and On the Genealogy of Morals is perhaps one of his most notorious work。 Going into the book knowing this， I was severely underwhelmed。 On the Genealogy of Morals is a collection of three essays where Nietzsche argues for nihilism， the ascetic ideal （the lacking of purpose）， and the origins of our moral preconceptions。At his best， Nietzsche makes interesting and thought provoking statements about the nature of human morality and its roots in dialectical materialism。 On the other hand， at his worst， Nietzsche's writing is unnecessarily verbose， occasionally lacking context， and lifeless。 However， I do not think people read Nietzsche for his writing style and rhetoric， but rather for his perspective。 A perspective which has altered the way we study philosophy and look at human nature as a whole。（Overall， not bad but please write more like Vonnegut。） 。。。more
Zach Irvin
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Nietzsche has some shit to say and he’s going to damn sure say it。 Brash and powerful， his style of writing and thinking is， I believe， his striving for will to power in himself and his work。 The urge to uncover what he sees as intolerable and conquer the sentiments that keep us from affirming our lives leads him to say some real off-the-Wall stuff。 Nietzsche believes only in those aristocratic souls who claim the world through the force of their lives， but he also lived in the 1800s， so his sco Nietzsche has some shit to say and he’s going to damn sure say it。 Brash and powerful， his style of writing and thinking is， I believe， his striving for will to power in himself and his work。 The urge to uncover what he sees as intolerable and conquer the sentiments that keep us from affirming our lives leads him to say some real off-the-Wall stuff。 Nietzsche believes only in those aristocratic souls who claim the world through the force of their lives， but he also lived in the 1800s， so his scope of vision was necessarily limited。 Despite his propensity toward more hierarchical conceptions of life， I think there are some truly beautiful and terrible truths he lays bare in this text。The potent and poisonous power of resentment in shaping our worldview， the implication that the creditor/debtor relationship ushered in the birth of consciousness， the role of guilt and punishment， the sanctimonious nature of overly moralistic grandstanding， the hypocrisy of those who believe others will burn in Hell， the questioning of the value of truth， observations about human will and it’s seemingly limitless power， the frantic signaling of the danger of nihilism， all of these are things I will take with me moving forward。 。。。more
Sam Peterson
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I kinda hate that I'm giving this a four cause Nietzsche is a bit of a prick and for sure a sexist。 I definitely don't think this is a good guide on how to live。 Regardless， it was an interesting read that presented unique/challenging takes that made me consider some stuff differently。 I do appreciate the importance he places on morality that isn't based on guilt or indebtedness。 Anyway， I guess I'm an angsty teen now。 I kinda hate that I'm giving this a four cause Nietzsche is a bit of a prick and for sure a sexist。 I definitely don't think this is a good guide on how to live。 Regardless， it was an interesting read that presented unique/challenging takes that made me consider some stuff differently。 I do appreciate the importance he places on morality that isn't based on guilt or indebtedness。 Anyway， I guess I'm an angsty teen now。 。。。more
Chase
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Interesting read。 I found the first two essays particularly good but didn’t have much interest in the third and felt as if I didn’t take much from it。 I find myself agreeing with his ideas often and think much of what he has to say is quite intriguing to ponder over。 I additionally find much of it very relevant and connectable to the present。 “According to which each will must recognize every other will as equal， would be a principle hostile to life， would represent the destruction and dissoluti Interesting read。 I found the first two essays particularly good but didn’t have much interest in the third and felt as if I didn’t take much from it。 I find myself agreeing with his ideas often and think much of what he has to say is quite intriguing to ponder over。 I additionally find much of it very relevant and connectable to the present。 “According to which each will must recognize every other will as equal， would be a principle hostile to life， would represent the destruction and dissolution of man， an attack on the future of man， a sign of exhaustion， a secret path towards nothingness。—“His thoughts on man， morality， and living were some of my favorite parts of the first two essays。 The thoughts on punishment and reason borne through psychological punishment were interesting as well。 。。。more
Alaa Eldakhakhny
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الكتاب ده واحد من الكتب الى انا قريتها لاسباب متعدده ممكن يكون اول سبب يجي بالبال هو الى بيختصره الفيديو ده فى كلمه مربياكم احسن تربيه https://youtu。be/UWYLrUkX5Kg الحقيقه الكتاب اهتم جدا بفكره اصل الاخلاق و تطورها، و ده من الحاجات المبهره انها تطورت و تحورت و ان الاخلاق حاجه فطريه و لكن الموضوع كان بس ظهور مسميات لها، بعد كده بدات تتطور و بقي التطور ده حسب نظره الناظر، فمثلا يعنى （انت كنت كريم معايا و لكن انا رفضت كرمك مع حد انا بكرهه و مسمتكش بخيل و قولت عنك حكيم، بس فى رايي غيري الموضوع يختلف الكتاب ده واحد من الكتب الى انا قريتها لاسباب متعدده ممكن يكون اول سبب يجي بالبال هو الى بيختصره الفيديو ده فى كلمه مربياكم احسن تربيه https://youtu。be/UWYLrUkX5Kg الحقيقه الكتاب اهتم جدا بفكره اصل الاخلاق و تطورها، و ده من الحاجات المبهره انها تطورت و تحورت و ان الاخلاق حاجه فطريه و لكن الموضوع كان بس ظهور مسميات لها، بعد كده بدات تتطور و بقي التطور ده حسب نظره الناظر، فمثلا يعنى （انت كنت كريم معايا و لكن انا رفضت كرمك مع حد انا بكرهه و مسمتكش بخيل و قولت عنك حكيم، بس فى رايي غيري الموضوع يختلف و هكذا） و لما المجتمع يعتاد على نسبيه الامور حسب هوى النفس و شخصيه كل واحد فاكيد مش هيطلب منك تكون احسن منه او مبتعملش شي هو نفسه معتاد عليه و من هنا جائت كلمه احسن تربيه للاسف الى بنشوفها الايامه دى الكتاب حلو جدا، لكن اسلوب العرض و السرد صعب جدا و مش مباشر فى اغلب نقاطه علشان كده وضحت بعض منها هنا اللغه استخدم كلمات سهله و لكن الوصول للمعنى المضمون من الجمل مش شي سهل تماما الكتاب تجربه قرائيه مميزه للحق و فخوره انى عرفت اقراه و اكمله و اطلع منه بحاجه 。。。more
Gustavo Armando
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Um amigo comentou: "o contemporâneo tem algo de assustadoramente Nietzsche"。Livro primoroso e fácil de ler， o Nietzsche é um artista da palavra。 Um amigo comentou: "o contemporâneo tem algo de assustadoramente Nietzsche"。Livro primoroso e fácil de ler， o Nietzsche é um artista da palavra。 。。。more
Hugo Barine
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Misógino， antisemita， el weón se cree la raja， o sea todo lo que uno espera encontrar en un libro del bigotes。
Elizabeth Filips
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*Nietzsche is passionate （understatement）， I would enjoy reading his essays on today's world if he could see it。 Despite our social awareness conditioning us to feel absolute horror at his statements in this book， I find it fascinating to realise how much we've 'changed' in recent times， how differently we would consider things just a few generations ago。* *A love a book which brings such painful 'truths' to light， and find it entertaining to consider the implications and picture the world and m *Nietzsche is passionate （understatement）， I would enjoy reading his essays on today's world if he could see it。 Despite our social awareness conditioning us to feel absolute horror at his statements in this book， I find it fascinating to realise how much we've 'changed' in recent times， how differently we would consider things just a few generations ago。* *A love a book which brings such painful 'truths' to light， and find it entertaining to consider the implications and picture the world and man as he paints it。 Although the applicability of such a worldview and attitude is difficult to fully support， I do think the reader can feel slightly liberated from some social norms， less guilty in regards to his duty to the world， and treat this book as a manual for self love。* 。。。more
Yavuz Milar
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Yeah fuck you religion and your slave morality。 Honestly who before criticised religions based on their terms。 thanks niçi。 This is the type of critique we need。 Not the modern atheist crap about oww wow religion is illogical。 Well duh， it is written by people 2 millennium ago but thats simply not the point。 The point is what we should do with this philosophy which societies accepted and how can we go on from here。 Nietzsche show that religion is basically like a bad doctor。 Instead of trying to Yeah fuck you religion and your slave morality。 Honestly who before criticised religions based on their terms。 thanks niçi。 This is the type of critique we need。 Not the modern atheist crap about oww wow religion is illogical。 Well duh， it is written by people 2 millennium ago but thats simply not the point。 The point is what we should do with this philosophy which societies accepted and how can we go on from here。 Nietzsche show that religion is basically like a bad doctor。 Instead of trying to fix your pain and heal you， it euthanize you so you don’t feel pain anymore。 Seriously， humanity has so much more potential today to not fall ill to hedonism like the greco-romans and actually find meaning in their “sinful” desires。 But we cannot get tied to this philosophies that creates self hatred and lack of self confidence。 Both of which results in men downgrading women， men putting stupid pressures on the rest of society and men living miserable fucking lives。 I hope people abandon religion not because it is not able to accurately tell genesis or shape of the world but the inherent morality which is a very bad one for living free and authentic。 。。。more
Walter Schutjens
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To give this a rating and recognize some fact of 'value' over and above this text itself is done in bad faith， and for that I， one of the suffering slave morality feeble socialists， am going to impose guilt on myself。 As long as I can keep chasing that ideal and as a philosopher enforce ascetic ideals onto my life I am indeed a happy unconscious。 Would love/fear to run into or become an ubermensch someday。 But it is more likely that together with Nietzsche's legacy I will comfortably turn into p To give this a rating and recognize some fact of 'value' over and above this text itself is done in bad faith， and for that I， one of the suffering slave morality feeble socialists， am going to impose guilt on myself。 As long as I can keep chasing that ideal and as a philosopher enforce ascetic ideals onto my life I am indeed a happy unconscious。 Would love/fear to run into or become an ubermensch someday。 But it is more likely that together with Nietzsche's legacy I will comfortably turn into post-modernity and have no ideal while also not exerting my secularly honed will。 。。。more
Un Fabrizio Cualquiera
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Consideró que la genealogía de la moral es uno de los libros principales para comenzar a conocer el pensamiento nietzscheano， al estar escrito en prosa y después de su obra cumbre el Zaratustra y su "glosario" más allá del bien y el mal， se puede apreciar un mayor orden en sus ideas y así mismo otorga una mayor facilidad para comprender su filosofía， aunque nunca te deja exento de dolores de cabeza。En este libro encontraremos una examinacion de los juicios morales， dividida en tres tratados de l Consideró que la genealogía de la moral es uno de los libros principales para comenzar a conocer el pensamiento nietzscheano， al estar escrito en prosa y después de su obra cumbre el Zaratustra y su "glosario" más allá del bien y el mal， se puede apreciar un mayor orden en sus ideas y así mismo otorga una mayor facilidad para comprender su filosofía， aunque nunca te deja exento de dolores de cabeza。En este libro encontraremos una examinacion de los juicios morales， dividida en tres tratados de los cuales el primero es sobre el bien y el mal- bueno y malo。 Nietzche plantea que antes de que nos rigiera la moral actual， nos regía una "moral del amo" en lo cual todo lo fuerte， dominador， sano， libre， erá bueno。 Y lo débil， esclavo， enfermo， erá malo。 Producto de su envidia los débiles llaman malvado a los amos。 Y la rebelión de los esclavos comienza cuando el resentimiento mismo se hace creador， la transvaloracion consiste en que ahora lo débil， esclavo， enfermo que antes era malo， ahora se considera bueno。 y lo fuerte， noble y dominador， malo。 El segundo tratado sobre la "culpa y la mala conciencia" Nietzsche hace un análisis histórico， en cual plantea que la culpa deriva de la deuda （comercial）。 El ojo humano se acostumbra a ver el precio de todas las cosas， y así cuando el deudor no tiene bienes para pagar al acreedor， le puede pagar con su propio sufrimiento。 "no se castiga para que la persona aprenda， no sé castiga para disuadir a los criminales， si nó， que se castiga para que el deudor pague las deudas。 Así el acreedor es compensado"Nietzche propone que el castigo doméstica al hombre， pero no lo hace mejor。 La mala conciencia proviene del inhibir nuestros instintos animales （acción fundamental para vivir en sociedad）。 Entonces al no poder dirigir nuestros instintos contra los otros， estos se vienen contra sí mismo。 "todo los instintos que no se desahogan hacia afuera se vuelven hacia adentro" La culpa por un lado proviene posiblemente de una deuda respecto a nuestros antepasados: "Reina aquí el convencimiento de que la estirpe subsiste gracias tan solo a las obras de los antepasados， y que esto hay que pagarselo con sacrificios y con obras: se reconoce así una deuda" entonces。。。 " el antepasado acaba necesariamente por ser transfigurado en un dios！" dice nietzsche: "Tal vez este aquí incluso el origen de los dioses， es decir， un origen por temor" en torno al Dios Judeo-Cristiano Nietzsche dice así "El acreedor sacrificandose por su deudor， por amor （¿quien lo creería？）¡Por amor a su deudor！" entonces al pagar nuestras deudas dios， no nos las quita， al contrario nos carga de una deuda。 esta deuda con dios por lo tanto se nos vuelve un sentimiento de tortura， por lo tanto una deuda impagable。 En el tercer tratado sobre el significado de los ideales ascéticos， Nietzche figura que el ideal Ascetico nace en respuesta al sufrimiento （sufrimos porque estamos en deuda） y es una terrible enfermedad de la voluntad。 "el hombre prefiere querer a la nada， que no querer" Recomiendo totalmente este libro！ Mucho se habla de Nietzsche y sus obras， pocos las leen antes de opinar。 Incluso hay personas que le llaman Nihilista。 ¡Vaya que tontería！ Pocos crean una filosofía de apreció a la vida， y con crítica contra quienes la desprecian， muchos interesados en la metafísica y en marte， pero pocos en el ahora。。。 En fin puedo estar equivocado。 。。。more
Sam
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whoa like， what if like， idk but what if like universal history has been washed away by a great wave of axiomatisation whereby the law upon which morals are based are drawn from their own conclusions， so like the conclusion is based on its own rule if that makes sense？？？？？ idk， what if like before making a judgement you would have to like internalise a sense of debt thereby signalling the death of desire in that desire assumes the role of desiring the despot's desire。 and like btw dont be thinki whoa like， what if like， idk but what if like universal history has been washed away by a great wave of axiomatisation whereby the law upon which morals are based are drawn from their own conclusions， so like the conclusion is based on its own rule if that makes sense？？？？？ idk， what if like before making a judgement you would have to like internalise a sense of debt thereby signalling the death of desire in that desire assumes the role of desiring the despot's desire。 and like btw dont be thinking the book is about the rhetorical nature of the world， lol that is nietzsche for the weak， it is actually about the fact we have FORGOTTEN the world is based on a rhetorical structure。 。。。more
Fjallraver
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