Liturgical Dogmatics: How Catholic Beliefs Flow from Liturgical Prayer
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Summary
God is incomprehensible， but he is not unapproachable。
What cannot be fully comprehended by dogma can be
approached when we liturgize God。
What knowledge cannot fasten together， love can unite。
There is a movement occurring between God and his children，
and this divine economy is the subject matter of dogmatics。
It is also exactly the definition of liturgy that this work assumes。 Liturgy is the perichoresis of the Holy Trinity kenotically extended to invite our synergistic ascent into deification。
The Trinity’s circulation of love turns itself outward， and in humility the Son and Spirit work the Father’s good pleasure for all creation， which is to invite our ascent into participation in the very life of God， which consists of glory，
love， beatitude。
All chapter topics in this volume are subdivisions of this single story stretching from alpha to omega， and they all turn out to be liturgical verities。 What dogma stammers to state， liturgy celebrates in mystical participation。 Liturgical Dogmatics therefore examines dogma in light of liturgy。 The
whole sweeping， saving activity of God， as described by dogma， is the subject of this book。
What cannot be fully comprehended by dogma can be
approached when we liturgize God。
What knowledge cannot fasten together， love can unite。
There is a movement occurring between God and his children，
and this divine economy is the subject matter of dogmatics。
It is also exactly the definition of liturgy that this work assumes。 Liturgy is the perichoresis of the Holy Trinity kenotically extended to invite our synergistic ascent into deification。
The Trinity’s circulation of love turns itself outward， and in humility the Son and Spirit work the Father’s good pleasure for all creation， which is to invite our ascent into participation in the very life of God， which consists of glory，
love， beatitude。
All chapter topics in this volume are subdivisions of this single story stretching from alpha to omega， and they all turn out to be liturgical verities。 What dogma stammers to state， liturgy celebrates in mystical participation。 Liturgical Dogmatics therefore examines dogma in light of liturgy。 The
whole sweeping， saving activity of God， as described by dogma， is the subject of this book。
Reviews
E。D。 Burns
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Great short and accessible book on the good news that we are saved by God， from God。
Sergio Tapia
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Si hay algún libro que te puedo recomendar es éste。
Richard Timson
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Extremely PowerfulA very powerful exposition of the true reasons Jesus died。 It will expand your thinking and understanding。 I am going to listen to it again to absorb it's truths。 Extremely PowerfulA very powerful exposition of the true reasons Jesus died。 It will expand your thinking and understanding。 I am going to listen to it again to absorb it's truths。 。。。more
Rod Innis
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Good book。
Robert Wegner
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This is a great book that I would suggest to all Christians as a good and basic study of the death of Christ and it's impact。 Sproul does a great job explaining hard things to simple people like me so that I， and others like me， can understand that God's holiness and goodness were perfectly and fully presented in the crucifixion。 He also does a great job explaining the joy that we will receive when we enter the new Heaven and new Earth with Christ。 Great book！ This is a great book that I would suggest to all Christians as a good and basic study of the death of Christ and it's impact。 Sproul does a great job explaining hard things to simple people like me so that I， and others like me， can understand that God's holiness and goodness were perfectly and fully presented in the crucifixion。 He also does a great job explaining the joy that we will receive when we enter the new Heaven and new Earth with Christ。 Great book！ 。。。more
Rod Horncastle
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This is one of those 5 books that every Christian should be forced to read。 （I'll have to think of exactly what those other 4 are。。。I'll get back to you - probably some things with Theology， Philosophy， World Religions， Good Science， and How the Bible came to be the way it is）。 A huge confusing issue in modern churches:Many assume a desperate emotionally drippy deity is trying its hardest to SAVE US poor misunderstood， generally nice， Earthlings from big bad Sin and a sneaky Devilish Horde - aga This is one of those 5 books that every Christian should be forced to read。 （I'll have to think of exactly what those other 4 are。。。I'll get back to you - probably some things with Theology， Philosophy， World Religions， Good Science， and How the Bible came to be the way it is）。 A huge confusing issue in modern churches:Many assume a desperate emotionally drippy deity is trying its hardest to SAVE US poor misunderstood， generally nice， Earthlings from big bad Sin and a sneaky Devilish Horde - against all odds of course。If only God could do more they say。 He just loves us all and will cry for an eternity if any human doesn't reach the pearly gates in time。 What's a God to do against a horrible hell that keeps closing in around us。。。if only God and us had a plan against this unjust scenario？ If only？？？Boo Hoo！ That's not the way the game is played。 R。C。 Sproul knows this - Because he actually read his Bible。 The point: WE need saving FROM God。 It's His Devil， His Hell， Sin that He doesn't tolerate， and He won't be crying for an eternity because of rebellious sinful humans in Hell that ignored ALL of His interventions and Gospel moments。I know， sounds mean， isn't God on our side？ Isn't He all about love and forgiveness？ Here's a favorite Bible bit from Joshua:13When Joshua was by Jericho， he lifted up his eyes and looked， and behold， a man was standing before him with his drawn sword in his hand。 And Joshua went to him and said to him， “Are you for us， or for our adversaries？” 14And he said， “No; but I am the commander of the army of the LORD。 Now I have come。” And Joshua fell on his face to the earth and worshiped and said to him， “What does my lord say to his servant？” 15And the commander of the LORD’s army said to Joshua， “Take off your sandals from your feet， for the place where you are standing is holy。” And Joshua did so。Is that Jesus standing with a drawn sword on Holy Ground simply saying "NO， I have Come"？ Sure sounds like it。 I don't think the Archangel Michael gets Holy Ground or worship from Joshua。 And Revelation shows that Jesus is the Commander of HIS army。 （He has his own Cool horse and EVERYTHING）。 He's on HIS OWN side。God is on the side of His son: Jesus。 Get used to it - that is the proper way to read the entire Bible。 If we are blessed and chosen - then we get to be adopted into the family of God and Covered by the spotless sin-free Robe of Jesus' Righteousness。。。because God is perfectly Just， Perfectly Loving， absolutely Holy， and filled with Mercy and Grace。 Simple eh？________________________Fun story:I was reading this book at work （while loading a tanker truck I drive） and the book fell off the tanker and was forgotten for a weekend。 I found it later， after it had been run over a few times while sitting in the dirt。 I went looking for a new copy to buy - no luck。 So the book is beat up and still readable。 Mucho Fun！ Now I finished it and can give it a review。 （i'm still picking rocks out of it though）R。C。 says "Saved from the wrath to come"。And so does the Bible: 1 Thessalonians 1: 。。。and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God， 10and to wait for his Son from heaven， whom he raised from the dead， Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come。YES， anyone who has read the Bible knows very well about God's wrath。 From the Angel rebellion in Heaven to the Garden of Eden， then that flood of Noah's time， to the displacement of the Tower of Babel， then the numerous Exiles of Israel。 Then that brutal destruction of Jerusalem。 But the worst of all - was the wrath Jesus took for us while he was on the cross。 Isaiah 537He was oppressed， and he was afflicted，yet he opened not his mouth;like a lamb that is led to the slaughter，and like a sheep that before its shearers is silent，so he opened not his mouth。8By oppression and judgment he was taken away;and as for his generation， who consideredthat he was cut off out of the land of the living，stricken for the transgression of my people？9And they made his grave with the wickedand with a rich man in his death，although he had done no violence，and there was no deceit in his mouth。10Yet it was the will of the LORD to crush him;he has put him to grief;when his soul makesh an offering for guilt，he shall see his offspring; he shall prolong his days;the will of the LORD shall prosper in his hand。And just for those who aren't into Old Testament prophecies:John 1:29The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said， "Look， the Lamb of God， who takes away the sin of the world。R。C。 says it best:"That we are shocked by the idea that we are saved from God reveals two crucial shortcoming in our understanding。 We fail to understand who God is， and we fail to understand who we are。 Our view of God is too low， and our view of mankind is too high。"R。C。 clears up the human self righteous part: Romans 3:“None is righteous， no， not one;11 no one understands;no one seeks for God。12All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;no one does good，not even one。”13“Their throat is an open grave;they use their tongues to deceive。”“The venom of asps is under their lips。”14 “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness。”15“Their feet are swift to shed blood;16 in their paths are ruin and misery，17and the way of peace they have not known。”18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes。”And that fear of a Holy God that we should all have: 2 Samuel 6:6-7 6And when they came to the threshing floor of Nacon， Uzzah put out his hand to the ark of God and took hold of it， for the oxen stumbled。 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Uzzah， and God struck him down there because of his error， and he died there beside the ark of God。So God killed Uzzah for simply reaching out to steady the Ark of the Covenant？ Most liberal or moderate Christians would never believe such a ridiculous tale。 Why？ God simply loves everyone and hopes they'll try just a little bit to love back。。。or love somebody ELSE back。 But the Bible does NOT say this。 God is Holy and Just and has some clear definitions of Sin and righteousness。 God says "Don't Touch The Ark" ---- He means it。___________________I learned an interesting thing while reading this:Many people argue about Jesus going to Hell for 3 days as part of God's wrath。 But while reading this book R。C。 mentions "My God， my God， why have you forsaken me？" AS the the moment of HELL。 （pg。 84）Finally， Jesus cried， "It is Finished！" （John 19:30）。 It was over。 What was over？ His life？ The pain of the nails？ No。 It was the forsakenness that ended。 The curse was finished。 The light of God's countenance returned， and Jesus said， "Into Your hands I commit My spirit" （Luke 23:46）No reason to suffer in Hell。 Jesus was in the Father's hands。 Jesus may have preached in hell。 1 Peter 318For Christ also suffered once for sins， the righteous for the unrighteous， that he might bring us to God， being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit， 19in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison， 20because they formerly did not obey， when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah， while the ark was being prepared， in which a few， that is， eight persons， were brought safely through water。 21Baptism， which corresponds to this， now saves you， not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience， through the resurrection of Jesus Christ， 22who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God， with angels， authorities， and powers having been subjected to him。Last quote: （pg。 94）"Some may say the problem （of sin） is not severe because God in His kindness will over look it。 God could do this if He were willing to negotiate His own righteousness or sacrifice His own Justice。 but then the judge of all the earth would not be doing what is right。 A judge who does not punish evil is neither just nor good。"R。C。 mentions the Astonishing Reality Of Our Adoption。 This is essential Christian theology。 Read this book。 It's short and essential。 This is what we should be getting out of the Biblical scriptures （maybe if we read them slower and more often）。 The book ends with R。C。 talking about Heaven。 There's no better way to end any book。 Saved By God， Saved From God， Saved For God。 This is God's plan and system ---- nothing better but than to simply enjoy it and embrace Jesus as the eternal King。 。。。more
Donald Hartley
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Very easy book to read。 This book explains the phrase， "Saved from God， by God， and for God。" Sproul delivers in simple form not without profound insights。 A good little book to give to unbelievers or even young believers wanting to know what salvation is about from a biblical perspective。 Very easy book to read。 This book explains the phrase， "Saved from God， by God， and for God。" Sproul delivers in simple form not without profound insights。 A good little book to give to unbelievers or even young believers wanting to know what salvation is about from a biblical perspective。 。。。more
Dave Packard
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Good read。。。 We are saved BY God， FROM God， FOR God！ I guess that was a spoiler。
Jeanie
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I very much enjoy reading RC Sproul。 He shares his own personal experience of someone asking if he was saved。 He replied Saved from what。 The poor guy did'nt have an answer for that。 What are we saved from？ It starts knowing what a great salvation we have and how can we neglect that。 It is a salvation that is by God， from God and for God who all glory belongs to。 One of his quotes in the book struck a chord with me。 Page 44。。。How many times have you spoken with people who have said， "it may or m I very much enjoy reading RC Sproul。 He shares his own personal experience of someone asking if he was saved。 He replied Saved from what。 The poor guy did'nt have an answer for that。 What are we saved from？ It starts knowing what a great salvation we have and how can we neglect that。 It is a salvation that is by God， from God and for God who all glory belongs to。 One of his quotes in the book struck a chord with me。 Page 44。。。How many times have you spoken with people who have said， "it may or may not be true， but I personally don't feel the need for Jesus， or I don't need the church， or I don't need Christianity？ When I hear comments like this， my spirit groans with me。 I tremble to think of the consequences if people persist in such an attitude。 If we could persuade people of the identity of Christ and the truth of His work， it would become instantly apparent that every person in the world needs it and that without it there would be no salvation from God。"。 Sproul touches on atonement and justification and the holiness of God。 All Good stuff！ 。。。more
Christopher M。
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This is bare-bones gospel。 Sproul， as always， delivers loads of meat for spiritual consumption， but in little over a hundred pages。 He clears up many misconceptions and caricatures about what salvation is by answering the questions， "Saved from what？"， "Saved by what"， and "Saved for what？" A tremendous evangelistic tool， and also a great reminder to Christians who all need to have the gospel preached to them daily， because it is such a counter-intuitive concept。 Sproul keeps this book easy to r This is bare-bones gospel。 Sproul， as always， delivers loads of meat for spiritual consumption， but in little over a hundred pages。 He clears up many misconceptions and caricatures about what salvation is by answering the questions， "Saved from what？"， "Saved by what"， and "Saved for what？" A tremendous evangelistic tool， and also a great reminder to Christians who all need to have the gospel preached to them daily， because it is such a counter-intuitive concept。 Sproul keeps this book easy to read and easy to understand， but any Christian will learn something from a reading。 While this is bare-bones， basic gospel， Sproul puts skin on it with his helpful illustrations and personal anecdotes which make you feel like you're learning from a really smart friend。 My one minor criticism of the book is that it does not touch on the new-creation aspect of salvation in the "Saved for what？" section。 That is barely a criticism for a book so short， because he still manages to hit nearly everything he could be expected to hit on in this brief survey of soteriology。 Fantastic read。 。。。more
Larissa
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"Are you saved？" such a seemingly easy and frequently used question that very few even attempt to define！ But Boy does sproul define it！！ LOVE the truth that Sproul speaks， as it opens my mind and heart to the true conceptions of the gospel！ "Are you saved？" such a seemingly easy and frequently used question that very few even attempt to define！ But Boy does sproul define it！！ LOVE the truth that Sproul speaks， as it opens my mind and heart to the true conceptions of the gospel！ 。。。more
Rachel
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for the record I would like to give it three and a half stars。。。apparently half stars are for the weak！I really like R。C。 Sproul， very clear， very intelligent and he gets to the point of what he's trying to say （this book was about 120 pages， I was able to read it in no time flat） and still pretty profound。 I LOVE that he didn't make me wade through the fluff to get to a few good points！Some of it he got technical， and lets face it hard core theology is not for everyone， but really not bad even for the record I would like to give it three and a half stars。。。apparently half stars are for the weak！I really like R。C。 Sproul， very clear， very intelligent and he gets to the point of what he's trying to say （this book was about 120 pages， I was able to read it in no time flat） and still pretty profound。 I LOVE that he didn't make me wade through the fluff to get to a few good points！Some of it he got technical， and lets face it hard core theology is not for everyone， but really not bad even there or difficult to understand。He divides the book into three （unequal） sections of 'saved from what？'， 'by what？' and 'for what？'。 One of the main points he makes in the beginning is that we are saved from God， by God。 You can kind of see how that carries throughout the rest of the book。 。。。more
Cbass
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EXCELLENT， a must evagenlistic tool for anyone to give to their loved ones。 A simple yet in depth detailed look at the tulip， but not in a "bad" way。 EXCELLENT， a must evagenlistic tool for anyone to give to their loved ones。 A simple yet in depth detailed look at the tulip， but not in a "bad" way。 。。。more
Alisha
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