Atlas Shrugged

Atlas Shrugged

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  • Author:Ayn Rand
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"This is the story of a man who said that he would stop the motor of the world - and did。 Was he a destroyer or the greatest of liberators? Why did he have to fight his battle, not against his enemies, but against those who needed him most, and his hardest battle against the woman he loved? What is the world's motor - and the motive power of every man? You will know the answer to these questions when you discover the reason behind the baffling events that play havoc with the lives of the characters in this story。" "Tremendous in its scope, this novel presents an astounding panorama of human life - from the productive genius who becomes a worthless playboy - to the great steel industrialist who does not know that he is working for his own destruction - to the philosopher who becomes a pirate - to the composer who gives up his career on the night of his triumph - to the woman who runs a transcontinental railroad - to the lowest track worker in her Terminal tunnels。" This is a mystery story, not about the murder of a man's body, but about the murder - and rebirth - of man's spirit。

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Amit Herlekar

The plot of the story is battle between the pure intellectuals and pure socialists。 It describes at length about dispute between two extremes: socialism and objectivism。 I found this hard to believe because if individuality is one aspect, then social responsibility is another。 These two concepts do overlap at a certain point。 Otherwise, without objective, you cannot earn a livelihood and still contribute to society。Another problem I had reading this book is its enormous length; I felt it was ove The plot of the story is battle between the pure intellectuals and pure socialists。 It describes at length about dispute between two extremes: socialism and objectivism。 I found this hard to believe because if individuality is one aspect, then social responsibility is another。 These two concepts do overlap at a certain point。 Otherwise, without objective, you cannot earn a livelihood and still contribute to society。Another problem I had reading this book is its enormous length; I felt it was overdone。 Rand has used her power of vocabulary to describe same things again and again with different lines, different passages with different sub-plots which makes the chapters redundant。 Hence it took me more than an year to finish reading it。 From the beginning, all the chapters inch towards the climax: "This is John Galt Speaking"; this chapter could have been a hundred page novel all by itself。 It doesn't strike the right chord just by repeatedly intensifying to same issue and drag it to this point。 I was tired and almost ready to give up。 The work could have been more engaging by being more concise。 Yes; the major problem of this novel is its length。 With all this criticism, I acknowledge that there are some notable quotes, eye catching lines and passages that really nudges your soul。It would have been worth your time if the book was cut short to explain its principles, not otherwise。 If you really want to enjoy reading Ayn Rand's work on objectivism, try The Fountainhead。 。。。more

Isabella

This book is truly filled with come to life characters that readers can relate too from any decade。 Young people who can get through a tough read will venture across situations and events that arguably pursues one's own identity。 In today's world, being a man or woman who consistently and consciously remains in the middle obviously stands for nothing, and these types of people who run rampant in the education business can literally be spread around an issue like Skippy Peanut Butter。 Hank Rearde This book is truly filled with come to life characters that readers can relate too from any decade。 Young people who can get through a tough read will venture across situations and events that arguably pursues one's own identity。 In today's world, being a man or woman who consistently and consciously remains in the middle obviously stands for nothing, and these types of people who run rampant in the education business can literally be spread around an issue like Skippy Peanut Butter。 Hank Rearden and Dagny Taggart carry a set of values, and these values separate these two characters from the norm because they stick to their values。 This read teaches young people the importance of developing values, and one value that was reiterated throughout the book was hard work。 Another value was always do the right thing。 A must read for young people with vast goals and aspirations。 。。。more

Pi

Dłuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugo zmagałam się z tą książką i muszę przyznać, że jeszcze się zmagać będę。 Przeczytałam dużo, by od pewnego momentu nastawić się wyłącznie na poznanie historii。 Tak, poszłam po szybkości, z którą przebrnęłam przez sporą część - co mnie zmusza do sięgnięcia po tę pozycję jeszcze kiedyś。 Muszę się jednak psychicznie nastawić na tak grube dzieło。 Jednak mogę napisać coś o ATLASIE ZBUNTOWANYM, ponieważ jak wspomniałam - szkielet poznałam i bardzo doceniam pomysł, wykonanie, kon Dłuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugo zmagałam się z tą książką i muszę przyznać, że jeszcze się zmagać będę。 Przeczytałam dużo, by od pewnego momentu nastawić się wyłącznie na poznanie historii。 Tak, poszłam po szybkości, z którą przebrnęłam przez sporą część - co mnie zmusza do sięgnięcia po tę pozycję jeszcze kiedyś。 Muszę się jednak psychicznie nastawić na tak grube dzieło。 Jednak mogę napisać coś o ATLASIE ZBUNTOWANYM, ponieważ jak wspomniałam - szkielet poznałam i bardzo doceniam pomysł, wykonanie, koncepcję, filozofię。。。。 co do filozofii, to czasem miałam pewne problemy z jej przyswojeniem, ale ostatecznie w większości się zgadzam z poglądami Ayn Rand, choć są to poglądy bolesne, często trudne do udźwignięcia i wymagające skupienia, zrozumienia i co ważniejsze - pogodzenia się z ich brutalnością。 ATLAS ZBUNTOWANY, to wieka opowieść, która może przytłoczyć czytelnika, ale na sto procent zostanie w głowie。 Podobnie jak ŹRÓDŁO, które przeczytałam od deski do deski - stawia pytania o sprawiedliwość, wolność, wyzysk, inteligencję。 Ayn Rand pozostawia nas z wieloma。。。 może nie pytaniami, ale zdecydowanie z wieloma przemyśleniami。 Te historie się pamięta, one będą trwać w waszych umysłach i co jakiś czas będziecie o nich myśleć - to ogromna siła tej pisarki。 Ona wpływała na poglądy, na opinie czytelników。 Zdecydowanie jest to pozycja interesująca, opowieść niezwykle dopracowania, kunsztownie napisana i mocna w przekazie。 Czasem można się z nią kłócić, wykrzywiać się do niej, lecz dobitnie pokazuje, że nie można zaklinać rzeczywistości。 KIM JEST JOHN GALT? Podstawowe pytanie - pytanie, bez którego ATLAS ZBUNTOWANY nie miałby serca。 Odpowiedź jest niby prosta, ale to dopiero po dotarciu do pewnego punktu, do pewnej stacji na torach usianych tęsknotą za prawdziwą wolnością i sprawiedliwością。 Wolnością tworzenia własnego świata, sprawiedliwością niemal świętą - czyż to nie utopia? Nie - to filozofia。 Wspaniale wydana powieść, która do dzisiaj budzi sprzeczne emocje - z całą pewnością warto! Nie będę czarować - aby ją przeczytać, trzeba się naczytać, ale czyż nie o to chodzi w tej wspaniałej przygodzie z książką? Ja muszę dać jej jeszcze trochę swojego czasu - bo jest nad czym myśleć。 KIM JEST JOHN GALT? Wydawnictwo Zysk i S-ka 。。。more

Stilgar

I agree with most (but not all) ideas in the book but man is it annoying to read。 The characters represent ideas and are not realistic at all。 Their conversations resemble political speeches with long monologues which could not possibly happen in a real conversation。 The book is too long because some of the motives repeat several times。 OK, granny Rand, we got it the first time! Not all is bad of course。 The book contains a bunch of quotable lines and has some scary predictions of the creeping c I agree with most (but not all) ideas in the book but man is it annoying to read。 The characters represent ideas and are not realistic at all。 Their conversations resemble political speeches with long monologues which could not possibly happen in a real conversation。 The book is too long because some of the motives repeat several times。 OK, granny Rand, we got it the first time! Not all is bad of course。 The book contains a bunch of quotable lines and has some scary predictions of the creeping collectivist society。 Scary because we can observe them coming true。 I'd recommend reading The Fountainhead which is much better book and only reading Atlas Shrugged if you really like The Fountainhead 。。。more

Sean Savage

See: http://imgs。xkcd。com/comics/bookshelf。。。 See: http://imgs。xkcd。com/comics/bookshelf。。。 。。。more

Jenica Zhong

could not get through this book。 didnt finish

shapeofaflyingdeer

Scarlett O’Hara, Amy Dorrit, and Danny Taggart cover the female variation in lit。 The apotheosis of the material girl。Very powerful book。 A counterweight to the loss of possibility/potential sustained by the world known as The Great War。 Hence the caveat: this is a political book。

Ray Schram

What is there to say? It changed my life and continues to change my life。 Definitely, my desert island book。

Thomas

A horribly boring story with perverse, out-of-touch messaging/themes。 If I could, I would have rated it 0/5 stars。

Max

He sure did

Emerson Hawkins

I think I'll come back to this in a few months - it's taking too long to read。 Left off around page 450。 I think I'll come back to this in a few months - it's taking too long to read。 Left off around page 450。 。。。more

Felix Rizzuto

It takes true skill to write something so delusional with such lucidity。 Definitely recommend for the writing alone (and the quasi-brilliant interpersonal drama) - I just don't agree with the diatribe。 It takes true skill to write something so delusional with such lucidity。 Definitely recommend for the writing alone (and the quasi-brilliant interpersonal drama) - I just don't agree with the diatribe。 。。。more

Emily McDowell

So stupid。 Why does an author feel the need to include so many unnecessary details about a city skyline or a damn railroad that add no substance whatsoever? I love details when it contributes to a certain feeling or point, but its like ms rand was trying to stuff her book so it would look thick and impressive when in reality its a concoction of a monkey typing random letters on a typewriter infinitely。 I started this mess out of intrigue of the ideology of objectivism and an odd little ayn rand So stupid。 Why does an author feel the need to include so many unnecessary details about a city skyline or a damn railroad that add no substance whatsoever? I love details when it contributes to a certain feeling or point, but its like ms rand was trying to stuff her book so it would look thick and impressive when in reality its a concoction of a monkey typing random letters on a typewriter infinitely。 I started this mess out of intrigue of the ideology of objectivism and an odd little ayn rand phase。 The sole reason i forced myself to finish was because i wanted to have full authority and justification to be a hater。 Ayn rand has such questionable morals and it makes her and her writing miserable。 。。。more

El Vatikan

Good lord another pile of shit

Monika Monika

Annoyingly dramatic and full of superlatives。 I had to skim/skip some of the long speeches。 Repetitive。 Unique story and good writing but overall tiring。

Kseniia

It was so bad。。。🤯I went into this book as a blank slate someone completely unfamiliar with Ayn Rand and her philosophy。 I am aware that there are a number of people who cite her novel Atlas Shrugged as a life-changing blue print for living and society and others who dismiss it as complete bilge with incredibly destructive properties。If I understand the gist of the Rand philosophy embodied in Atlas Shrugged, it seems to be that personal self-aggrandizement, selfishness and greed are the most impo It was so bad。。。🤯I went into this book as a blank slate someone completely unfamiliar with Ayn Rand and her philosophy。 I am aware that there are a number of people who cite her novel Atlas Shrugged as a life-changing blue print for living and society and others who dismiss it as complete bilge with incredibly destructive properties。If I understand the gist of the Rand philosophy embodied in Atlas Shrugged, it seems to be that personal self-aggrandizement, selfishness and greed are the most important aspects of society and should be encouraged, while the average working man is so much forgettable dross to be dismissed and trod over and I find it deeply disturbing that anyone finds this lunacy a blue print for society。。the story is pretty much a bunch of nonsense about uncompromising Dagny Taggart teaming with Hank Reardon to build a new high speed rail system in the US against the obstacles placed there by the villainous government regulations。 Anyone who disagrees with Dagny and Hank are depicted as either weaklings, villains or preferably both。。The story is purportedly set in the near future, but it is utterly laughable because it seems to exist in a hermetic bubble that has no relation to the world we actually live in。 The fact that so much of the story depends on the success of high speed rail transit is ironic considering that conservatives, libertarians and Randians alike are currently trying to throw assorted obstacles into the path of such a plan currently being developed。 The book fails to mention anything about such modern conveniences as the internet and mentions nothing about the progress of other industrialized nations。 Whereas we are currently looking at a corrupt government weakened by corporate brown-nosers answering to the highest business bidder, Atlas Shrugged seems to present such a thing as a utopia。ALSO anyone who knows anything about screen writing knows that from Aristotle onward, writings about drama have required that the hero in a drama be challenged, go through a change, and come out the victor, improved by his journey/quest/challenges。 The whole point of all of Rand's fiction is that the hero never changes AT ALL, maintains their WILL, and bends the ENTIRE WORLD to fit their goals。 Sorry, Ayn, that's not how it works。 Just about the only profession where you can summon up product from whole cloth without ANY help from anyone else is。。what do you know, Writer。 Way to broaden your horizons there, Ms。 R。 Not。 (Okay, other people had to work to get her the pencil and the paper, but their contributions are so minimal and hard to measure that I'm willing to let that slide。) This model of the talented person creating things with nothing but their own will and brain and hand doesn't really exist outside of art。 (Albert Einstein, you say? Yes, Relativity came out his mind。 But nucelar power, which would not exist without Einstein's work, needed thousands to bring it to fruition。)As drama, it fails miserably!! As a life-changing book, one can only pity those who feel there is something of depth or worth here。 Spare yourself。。 Do not waste a moment on this drivel))) 。。。more

Kamila Kruk

"Must have" dla wszystkich ludzi myślących。 "Must have" dla wszystkich ludzi myślących。 。。。more

Rae

I really enjoy Any Rand。 She’s aggressive, passionate and she knows what she wants。 It is extreme and unrealistic, but that just strengthens her overarching message。 I don’t agree with her and maybe that’s why I enjoy this book so much, it threw everything I think out the window and I enjoyed having to fight for my beliefs again and conceded to some of hers。 Also… the relationships in this are extremely hot and steamy, I LOVE them, right on Ayn! On a more technical note: This book was perfect fo I really enjoy Any Rand。 She’s aggressive, passionate and she knows what she wants。 It is extreme and unrealistic, but that just strengthens her overarching message。 I don’t agree with her and maybe that’s why I enjoy this book so much, it threw everything I think out the window and I enjoyed having to fight for my beliefs again and conceded to some of hers。 Also… the relationships in this are extremely hot and steamy, I LOVE them, right on Ayn! On a more technical note: This book was perfect for 600 pages。 It was pensive, mystical, gripping and had sprinklings of wisdoms and honesty running through that made it a really compelling book and one of the best I’ve ever come across。 The second half (there’s a spoiler here) after she crashes her plane, should have been a separate book。 It was unrealistic and flat。 The book lost a lot of flair and magic and felt like a lecture towards the end, I had built each character to such a high point in my mind that they actually all started sliding down from the mid point onwards。 Ayn Rand despises bureaucracy and admin but that is what the second half of the book felt like, it felt like it was a drag to write and a drag to read。 First half 5/5 (brilliant !) (to the crash) Middle 4/5 (necessary?) crash until romp with John End 2/5 (lecturing) should not have even been written in。 I don’t enjoy being told in a 10 page speech what to think, I was drawing my own conclusions but overall the first half was so magnificent this book still gets a brilliant 4/5 stars from me ! 。。。more

Vadims

A long, vulgar, tasteless ideological pamphlet。

Jose Antonio Alguacil

Un libro que puede describir el panorama político hoy día。 Reflexiones profundas y momentos épicos, sin embargo es un texto denso, mucho。 Demasiadas palabras escondidas en contextos muy obvios。Se me ha hecho una lectura muy pesada, pero no me arrepiento de leerlo。

Tricia

A corrupt authoritarian government drives industry into the ground by their incompetence and greed and in response a cult of inhuman, wealthy industrialists form an eco terrorist commune in the Rocky Mountains and wait for the rest of humanity to die out before venturing out to rebuild the country。 They show a total lack of regard for the minor characters that helped them along the way like Eddie Willers and Bill Brent or the nameless ones like the furnace foreman, the engineer, or fireman menti A corrupt authoritarian government drives industry into the ground by their incompetence and greed and in response a cult of inhuman, wealthy industrialists form an eco terrorist commune in the Rocky Mountains and wait for the rest of humanity to die out before venturing out to rebuild the country。 They show a total lack of regard for the minor characters that helped them along the way like Eddie Willers and Bill Brent or the nameless ones like the furnace foreman, the engineer, or fireman mentioned early on who clearly had mutually beneficial relationship with their employers thus upholding the Gault philosophy even if they didn't know it at the time。 A sequel to this book would find the inhabitants of Gault's Gulch struggling to find labor to rebuild with。 Sure Dagny can design a new engine, but are they going to lay the cross continental track themselves? Is Reardon going to pour all the metal himself? Is Danconia going to work the mines alone? That would take more than one person's lifetime to do。 As the Starnesville (?) characters demonstrated they have no use for money。 If the few remaining outside survivors have managed to survive through their own means why would they ever want to put themselves back in a position of servitude, particularly to people who already abandoned them once。 That wouldn't be in THEIR self interest。 。。。more

Ryan

If this was required reading for every US citizen, we wouldn’t be in the mess we’re in。 If you’re ever tempted to ignore reality and believe the lie that capitalism is immoral and that your government betters are those virtuosos among us who are so selfless as to spend other people’s money and block the free exchange of goods and labor to make themselves feel like they’re helping the poor then read this book。

lazorena。

Давно так не радовалась, что дочитала。

Josh Saleska

This is a good piece of fiction。 I’ll even say it is an important book。 It’s important because it’s a portal into the mindset of political conservatism (ie free market capitalism and small government)。 The story is convincing enough that a thoughtful reader will briefly suspend their current beliefs and transform into a conservative apologist。 If they have any sense of duty as a reader, they will empathize with the conservative, if only for a short time。 This is a testament to Ayn Rand’s writing This is a good piece of fiction。 I’ll even say it is an important book。 It’s important because it’s a portal into the mindset of political conservatism (ie free market capitalism and small government)。 The story is convincing enough that a thoughtful reader will briefly suspend their current beliefs and transform into a conservative apologist。 If they have any sense of duty as a reader, they will empathize with the conservative, if only for a short time。 This is a testament to Ayn Rand’s writing ability。It was utter coincidence that I read this book right after The Tyranny of Merit, which exposes meritocracies as unfair and unjust。 Atlas Shrugged is its antithesis - pure meritocracies are the only fair and just way to run a society。 How much one can achieve and produce is the only objective way to judge one。 Even morally, it is right to only reward the producers and wrong to ever give alms to their counterpart。 The implications of this are far reaching, politically, vis a vis income tax and wealth redistribution。 Here’s the thing every reader must come to terms with: Ayn Rand’s philosophy, as it is laid out in this book, is beyond reproach。 It is internally consistent, elegant, and follows her core premise that goes something like, “the only truth you can know is the physical object in front of you that some other person made。” It is cold, calculating, and purely rational。 A person’s measure is only what can actually be measured, it seems。But again this is a fiction。 The characters are made up, the story is not very realistic。 It’s still a great story。 And it still is an inward reality for many conservatives。 The point for me here isn’t to legitimize conservative politics, it is to legitimize the conservative person。 In the Tyranny of Merit, the author argues that both sides of the aisle believe in the meritocracy, that is to say they both agree with Ayn。 In an ironic twist, the democrats - after dealing with every inequality - believe in the purest form of meritocracy。 With this in mind, every reader should reflect on this book and wrestle with its message about human economics。 。。。more

Chris

I both read this book and listened to the audio book throughout 2010 and finished it in 2011。 The version I listened to was on CD from my local library and the narrator was a woman who made the book even more compelling。Additionally, the nation was in the grips of the worst financial crisis since 1929, Obama held the Presidential Office and told people that they didn't make that "the government helped them" and he even broke his own austerity measure rule when it backfired。This is the best ficti I both read this book and listened to the audio book throughout 2010 and finished it in 2011。 The version I listened to was on CD from my local library and the narrator was a woman who made the book even more compelling。Additionally, the nation was in the grips of the worst financial crisis since 1929, Obama held the Presidential Office and told people that they didn't make that "the government helped them" and he even broke his own austerity measure rule when it backfired。This is the best fiction book I have read in my lifetime。I highly recommend this book。 。。。more

DaCane

I don’t know what people are looking for within the pages of a book。 I know that I don’t look for friendship where a person is not free to believe what they like while me being resolute enough within myself to not be inciting to anger by an opinion that is otherwise great to know about but will not be taken into my character following the exchange of ideas。 In most cases I may not even protest as I am not inclined to waste time or energy in the space where statements are asserted but no question I don’t know what people are looking for within the pages of a book。 I know that I don’t look for friendship where a person is not free to believe what they like while me being resolute enough within myself to not be inciting to anger by an opinion that is otherwise great to know about but will not be taken into my character following the exchange of ideas。 In most cases I may not even protest as I am not inclined to waste time or energy in the space where statements are asserted but no questions are actually asked…However it seems when people read a book they are looking for agreeableness where I am just interested in the concept of “the different” and perhaps a moment of enlightenment or at least an enjoyable ride…I think that those who hate this book come from a different space than this and although I don’t pretend to know their approach I can tell you my own…For me, this was a delightful read…not delightful in the sense of it being easy but in the sense of it - being as old as it is - having the capacity to heal and nurture the barren and beaten that have been looted。 And in this regard I also found this book highly relevant to today…highly!!Not many of you can relate to my pov on this, I am sure! But read this…“Her eyes seemed abnormally alive in a face drained of color, as if her consciousness remained untouched in a body broken by exhaustion。” -Atlas Shrugged by Ayn RandIt took me a really long time to read this book as I was in no hurry to close it because of all the spiritual gems Rand was able to conceal via metaphor, symbolism & personification throughout this tome。 I found so much salve for the ambitious soul。 I have no other work to compare this to for the value and confidence it has restored in the absence of the light of any soul to see it (that is to see value in a character or work that is foreign to them - much like the one star reviewers on this thread) - it is in the eyes LOL。“I am much lower than that by the scale of his standards and of his world。” -Atlas Shrugged Ayn Rand“This was the root, she thought, of the guiltlessness of his face: he had guessed and named the words she had wanted to spare him, he had rejected a good will that was not based on his values…” A。S。A。R。I was recommended to read this book so long ago and I was mired in so much of a struggle to escape I never had a chance to。 But, my word is my bond so I never forgot that I said that I would…best promise I ever kept…“…when one deals with words, one deals with the mind。” -A。S。A。R。For me, it is her writing style… “…the silence seemed to hold all the pain that had been hidden here, but never given voice。”…and if you can detach from her opinion well enough to enjoy her content she has much to offer even in the space of learning detachment - actually especially in the space of learning to be purposefully detached。“Into what bottomless, futureless sewer of the unpaid-for?” -A。S。A。R。Every time I picked up this book wisdom was imparted。 “…your mistakes came from your magnificent integrity under the torture of an impossible code…” -A。S。A。R。“What greater wealth is there to own your own life and to spend it on growing?” -A。S。A。R。 Yes, I enjoy philosophy, psychoanalysis, and even a really good well-needed lecture; you know the type that changes your life forever once understood…well this book is one of those…“…have you lived to long among the looters? Have you come to think that one man’s ability is a threat to another?” A。S。A。R。 I recommend not rushing through as judging by the non completes who probably can’t trust themselves to finish or the rush completes who hated enduring another page I would suffice it to say this is not a tome to be read over night…much will be missed“…because they know that there’s no such thing as a lousy job - only lousy men who don’t care to do it。” -A。S。A。R。I will be reading all of her works…take your time through the actual speech as that part was a literal killer but still there was much to be gleaned there also…either way I will come back to all my notes and probably read this book once more and I very rarely will reread a book…An insightful read!!“Our first rule here, Miss Taggart,” he answered, “is that one must always see for oneself。” -A。S。A。R。 。。。more

Lisa

I didn't like her philosophy but enjoyed her writing I didn't like her philosophy but enjoyed her writing 。。。more

Elina Huhtanen

Harvoin jätän kirjaa kesken, mutta tämä oli niin kamala, että luovutin puolenvälin jälkeen。 Joko kyseessä on jotain niin hienoa etten kerta kaikkiaan ymmärtänyt, tai sitten kirja on yksinkertaisesti huono。 Hahmoissa ei ole syvyyttä ja tarina on tautisen tylsä。 Hyi。

Meghan Schooley

Railroad and industry? Wordy, repetitive speeches from every character? A main character who is in love with abuse? Grrrreeeaatt。

Kathleen Chu

I got up to page 276 (about 25% of the book according to Kindle) and stopped。 The book is a slog to get through, there is a lot of excessive rants, and I don't understand the use of contrast and juxtaposition in the character's expressions。 Even the sexual tensions between the characters felt forced and unnatural。I may try to read this when I have downtime with absolutely nothing else better to do。 I got up to page 276 (about 25% of the book according to Kindle) and stopped。 The book is a slog to get through, there is a lot of excessive rants, and I don't understand the use of contrast and juxtaposition in the character's expressions。 Even the sexual tensions between the characters felt forced and unnatural。I may try to read this when I have downtime with absolutely nothing else better to do。 。。。more