Celle qui fuit et celle qui reste

Celle qui fuit et celle qui reste

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  • Author:Elena Ferrante
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Summary

Après L’amie prodigieuse et Le nouveau nom, Celle qui fuit et celle qui reste est la suite de la formidable saga dans laquelle Elena Ferrante raconte cinquante ans d’histoire italienne et d’amitié entre ses deux héroïnes, Elena et Lila。
Pour Elena, comme pour l’Italie, une période de grands bouleversements s’ouvre。 Nous sommes à la fin des années soixante, les événements de 1968 s’annoncent, les mouvements féministes et protestataires s’organisent, et Elena, diplômée de l’École normale de Pise et entourée d’universitaires, est au premier rang。 Même si les choix de Lila sont radicalement différents, les deux jeunes femmes sont toujours aussi proches, une relation faite d’amour et de haine, telles deux sœurs qui se ressembleraient trop。 Et, une nouvelle fois, les circonstances vont les rapprocher, puis les éloigner, au cours de cette tumultueuse traversée des années soixante-dix。
Celle qui fuit et celle qui reste n’a rien à envier à ses deux prédécesseurs。 À la dimension historique et intime s’ajoute même un volet politique, puisque les dix années que couvre le roman sont cruciales pour l’Italie, un pays en transformation, en marche vers la modernité。

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Reviews

Maddie

Amazing as always。 Genuinely cannot wait to read the next in the series。 Beautiful。

Maja

“Become。 It was a verb that had always obsessed me。。。I wanted to become, even though I had never known what。 And I had become, that was certain, but without an object, without a real passion, without a determined ambition。” Much better than the first and the second one。 Still, the tv adaptation has my heart <3 Ferrante's writing style seems to improve compared to the first two books。 I liked the story, even if the beginning was kind of boring。 The first 50 pages or so。 But then it started to be r “Become。 It was a verb that had always obsessed me。。。I wanted to become, even though I had never known what。 And I had become, that was certain, but without an object, without a real passion, without a determined ambition。” Much better than the first and the second one。 Still, the tv adaptation has my heart <3 Ferrante's writing style seems to improve compared to the first two books。 I liked the story, even if the beginning was kind of boring。 The first 50 pages or so。 But then it started to be really interesting and I kept and kept reading it with excitement。 I love Elena so much, I really hope she'll end up happy at the end of the fourth book。 Already started reading it。 。。。more

Katrín Lóa Hafsteinsdóttir

fæ ekki nóg af þessari sögu…。besta bókin hingað til!!! hlakka til að lesa síðustu <3

Melania 🍒

4。5|5This book devoured me, I stand no chance when it comes to this quartet *whispering* Elena Ferrante can stand on my neck and choke me to death

Jonathan Pine

This third installment of the "quartet" is insufferable。 The entire cast of characters demands to be swallowed by the lava of Vesuvius; ideally their deaths are extremely slow and agonizing。 Additionally, Ferrante's attempt at political commentary is fatuous。 Stick to pseudo-intellectual introspection and whining (in truth nothing more than grotesque self-absorption)。 This third installment of the "quartet" is insufferable。 The entire cast of characters demands to be swallowed by the lava of Vesuvius; ideally their deaths are extremely slow and agonizing。 Additionally, Ferrante's attempt at political commentary is fatuous。 Stick to pseudo-intellectual introspection and whining (in truth nothing more than grotesque self-absorption)。 。。。more

Neil Bradford

Not as good as Neapolitan #2 but great ending。

Heitor Duarte Derisso

Essa série inteira é a melhor coisa que eu já tive o PRAZER de ler! Eu facilmente afirmaria que a Elena Ferrante é a melhor autora que eu já li。Eu sou tão suspeito para falar dessa autora que não tenha absolutamente nada para levantar nessa micro resenha。 O livro é bom do começo ao fim; todas as personagens são extremamente palpáveis - ao ponto de eu conseguir enxergar pessoas reais em todas elas。 Minha única crítica é em relação à construção dos diálogos entre a Elena e o Pietro, porque aparent Essa série inteira é a melhor coisa que eu já tive o PRAZER de ler! Eu facilmente afirmaria que a Elena Ferrante é a melhor autora que eu já li。Eu sou tão suspeito para falar dessa autora que não tenha absolutamente nada para levantar nessa micro resenha。 O livro é bom do começo ao fim; todas as personagens são extremamente palpáveis - ao ponto de eu conseguir enxergar pessoas reais em todas elas。 Minha única crítica é em relação à construção dos diálogos entre a Elena e o Pietro, porque aparentemente todos eles são a mesma coisa até as últimas 20 páginas, quando tem a reviravolta do gancho pro próximo livro。Para finalizar eu apenas posso afirmar que a Elena Ferrante É o Nicholas Sparks se ele escrevesse livros para acadêmicas depressivas de esquerda que querem sair da casa dos pais, mas não conseguem por causa da crise financeira do país。 Fazia anos que eu não lia um livro com tanto prazer como eu tive nessa última semana。 De longe o melhor livro que eu li esse ano。 。。。more

anna 🪴🪴

really great- as all of the books in this series have been so far。。however was slightly disappointed with the shift of the plot focus from the relationship between lenu and lina to the relationship between lenu and nino… as the quartet claims to be exploring female friendship etc and now it seems like a more general story - still amazing tho

Naomi Faye

Hooked, hooked, hooked! Loved every sentence, page and chapter。 What a joy。 In the third instalment, Elena is a published author, married to an academic from a prestigious family, and bringing up her children in comfort。 And she relishes the escape。 The old neighbourhood looks at Elena with both awe and resentment, and it changes her dynamic with Lila。 This is in complete contrast to Lila’s life。 She works in a sausage factory with horrible working conditions and finds herself in the middle of w Hooked, hooked, hooked! Loved every sentence, page and chapter。 What a joy。 In the third instalment, Elena is a published author, married to an academic from a prestigious family, and bringing up her children in comfort。 And she relishes the escape。 The old neighbourhood looks at Elena with both awe and resentment, and it changes her dynamic with Lila。 This is in complete contrast to Lila’s life。 She works in a sausage factory with horrible working conditions and finds herself in the middle of working-class tensions。 Lila’s struggles give political and cultural perspective to the book, and along with Elena’s new position in society, highlights the class distinctions in Italy。 My favourite parts centre around Elena’s marriage, and the way she struggles to balance motherhood and writing。 Ferrante’s depiction seems realistic – career and family suffer at different times。 As a writer, I liked watching Elena as she went in and out of writerly inspiration。 What would be the catalyst for another feverish state of creativity? Will she write another book? I felt excited when Elena discovered feminism and enjoyed the change in her thinking。 The awakening to a new perspective — an addictive feeling for a compulsive student。But in the end, the magic is always Lila。 Everything comes back to Lila。 She’s Elena’s ultimate muse。 And she’s why I can’t stop/won’t stop reading this series。 Elena Ferrante has been lauded as, “One of the greatest novelists of our time。” I wholeheartedly agree。 Read it! 。。。more

Busra

Incredibly inside of everyday life and also unusual。。。 I've read in one day! Incredibly inside of everyday life and also unusual。。。 I've read in one day! 。。。more

Hundeschlitten

This week, Margaret Atwood created a bit of a Twitter storm by asking why men won't read books written by women。 In the first place, I think the question should be framed more generally: Why don't most men read books at all, especially works of fiction? And let me say that I am not in that crew, I have read my share of women writers。 But I also seem to be disappointed in these books, particularly the fiction。 I can't think of a single woman writer that I would include as one of my favorite novel This week, Margaret Atwood created a bit of a Twitter storm by asking why men won't read books written by women。 In the first place, I think the question should be framed more generally: Why don't most men read books at all, especially works of fiction? And let me say that I am not in that crew, I have read my share of women writers。 But I also seem to be disappointed in these books, particularly the fiction。 I can't think of a single woman writer that I would include as one of my favorite novelists。 Maybe one of the old school writers, such as Jane Austin or Edith Wharton, would probably come closest。 But no one contemporary, even though so much of contemporary fiction has been written by women。This is a long preamble that perhaps explains both my growing disappointment with Ferrante's series of Neapolitan novels and my desire to see them through。 They are indeed page turners, and I think these books capture something about a modern woman's attitude towards love, life and success that are a revelation。 But so much of the plot is just a soap opera, albeit with an interesting cast of characters。 And I still find Nino, the main love interest for both of the female protagonists, so creepy and unappealing that I just want to skip those parts of the book。 But I guess the fact this is the kind of man so many women seem to fall in love with is a lesson of its own sort。 I am pot committed and in for the duration, in any case。 However this novel was far less interesting than the first two。 It's basically a recitation of Elena's marriage and career, interspersed with more interesting sections about Lina and these interminable chunks detailing her conflicted love for Nino。 But onward。 。。。more

Anna

What fascinates me most about this series is the way, Ferrante lets her story flow。 Like a river - sometimes kissing stony words, seldom holding your delicate heart - but steadily taking you with it。 It feels like Lacan's jouissance - the pleasure of unconscious suffering。Lila and Lenu become two parts of myself。 I want to sink into Ferrante's world and be Lenu。 I don't understand why。 Since before college, I don't remember needing a story as much as I need Lila and Lenu, their love, Naples and What fascinates me most about this series is the way, Ferrante lets her story flow。 Like a river - sometimes kissing stony words, seldom holding your delicate heart - but steadily taking you with it。 It feels like Lacan's jouissance - the pleasure of unconscious suffering。Lila and Lenu become two parts of myself。 I want to sink into Ferrante's world and be Lenu。 I don't understand why。 Since before college, I don't remember needing a story as much as I need Lila and Lenu, their love, Naples and its finicky men。 Jealousy consumes the two, but perhaps writing would not exist without it。 I don't like that thought and I want to fight it。 Until I consume myself。 Maybe I want this sadness, because out of it, the words pour forth。 Ask Lenu and Lila, if you don't understand, either。 。。。more

Martin

That was。。。 amazing。 This is the third book in Ferrante's famous Neapolitan quadrilogy。。。 And it is just brilliant。 The characters are so deep, so real, so authentic。 And I just can NOT believe they are not real people。 They must be real! And reading about them feels so strange, almost uneasy, like I am finding out the intimate details of someone's life。。。。 Like I am not supposed to know THAT much about that person。These novels feel so mature, I sometimes feel that every other book in the world That was。。。 amazing。 This is the third book in Ferrante's famous Neapolitan quadrilogy。。。 And it is just brilliant。 The characters are so deep, so real, so authentic。 And I just can NOT believe they are not real people。 They must be real! And reading about them feels so strange, almost uneasy, like I am finding out the intimate details of someone's life。。。。 Like I am not supposed to know THAT much about that person。These novels feel so mature, I sometimes feel that every other book in the world is just shallow in comparison。 And the two main characters are just。。。 wow。 They are just such unique creations! They are extremely relatable and also kinda unlikable and the two things go effortlessly l hand by hand! Ugh。。。 I've give my heart a reason and I'll start the final book soon enough! 。。。more

Vasilis

Drieëneenhalve ster。 Ik rond het af naar boven, ok?

ally

un livre toujours excellent,qui nous plonge au milieu de la vie des personnages。

Aoife McMenamin

This third book in the Neapolitan quartet is set in the late 1960s/early 1970s, with Elena and Lila in their 20s。 Their livelihoods and family life take them in different directions, with Lila’s job at the factory becoming somewhat political, all against the backdrop of increasing tensions between left and right factions in Italian society。 I really enjoyed this aspect of the book。 It added depth and gave a good sense of time in a world where technology was beginning to make a real impact on wor This third book in the Neapolitan quartet is set in the late 1960s/early 1970s, with Elena and Lila in their 20s。 Their livelihoods and family life take them in different directions, with Lila’s job at the factory becoming somewhat political, all against the backdrop of increasing tensions between left and right factions in Italian society。 I really enjoyed this aspect of the book。 It added depth and gave a good sense of time in a world where technology was beginning to make a real impact on workers’ lives。 Their friendship also has its simmering tensions (no surprises there) and there are quite a few bombshell moments in the book, not least the ending。 The last 70 pages, while in some ways foreseeable, were also unputdownable and replete with “oh god she’s not going to go there, is she?” moments。 Loved it。 Almost as good as book 2, but nothing tops that summer in Ischia。 Still, a stellar 4。5/5 ⭐️ 。。。more

Matteo Aloisi

"Diventare。 Era un verbo che mi aveva sempre ossessionata, ma me ne accorsi per la prima volta solo in quella circostanza。 Io volevo diventare, anche se non avevo mai saputo cosa。 Ed ero diventata, questo era certo, ma senza un oggetto, senza una vera passione, senza un'ambizione determinata。 Ero voluta diventare qualcosa - ecco il punto - solo perché temevo che Lila diventasse chissà chi e io restassi indietro。 Il mio diventare era diventare dentro la sua scia。 Dovevo ricominciare a diventare, "Diventare。 Era un verbo che mi aveva sempre ossessionata, ma me ne accorsi per la prima volta solo in quella circostanza。 Io volevo diventare, anche se non avevo mai saputo cosa。 Ed ero diventata, questo era certo, ma senza un oggetto, senza una vera passione, senza un'ambizione determinata。 Ero voluta diventare qualcosa - ecco il punto - solo perché temevo che Lila diventasse chissà chi e io restassi indietro。 Il mio diventare era diventare dentro la sua scia。 Dovevo ricominciare a diventare, ma per me, da adulta, fuori di lei。" 。。。more

Ron

Book #3 was not good。 It was the first one that felt like a chore to read, honestly, which was a huge disappointment。 I was able to skim large (and I do mean large) sections without missing a single thing。 I noticed for the first time in the series that there were entire pages without paragraph breaks, just hefty blocks of text, like stream of consciousness almost。 I'm not a fan of that, never have been。 I went back to check, did Ferrante write in that style in the other two books? No, she didn' Book #3 was not good。 It was the first one that felt like a chore to read, honestly, which was a huge disappointment。 I was able to skim large (and I do mean large) sections without missing a single thing。 I noticed for the first time in the series that there were entire pages without paragraph breaks, just hefty blocks of text, like stream of consciousness almost。 I'm not a fan of that, never have been。 I went back to check, did Ferrante write in that style in the other two books? No, she didn't。 I'm not sure what was going on here, but the contrast is extreme。 With the other books, especially the second one, I felt the need, the desire, to read every single word。 With this one, I was racing to be finished。 The whole detailed play-by-play of Lila's experiences in the factory was drudgery and the first section I began skimming over with disinterest。 That recounting took place in the beginning of the novel and was not a good sign of what was to come。 I'm committed to the series, though, and will read the final novel since I've made it this far。 But I do need a break。 I'll read a couple of other unrelated novels and circle back in a month。 。。。more

Rebecah Commey

A tratti lento, ma tutto sommato una bella storia。 Interessante e il background: l’Italia degli anni di piombo in contrapposizione con Greta, che sembra sempre immobile, come l’occhio di un ciclone。Bella saga, non vedo l’ora di leggere il quarto。

Olga

😐

Nicole

F***ing Nino。

Ana

El mejor de la saga。 Una descripción de como el machismo cala entodas las esferas so sales

Erin

💀🤯I really like the audiobook narrator, so I hope I’m not being overly biased by that。 But these books are SO GOOD。 I’m devastated and outraged and satisfied and starting book 4 immediately。 In fact, I’m not on WiFi right now so can’t download it yet and the next 10 minutes seem interminable to me。Also the mystery of Elena Ferrante herself was initially fun but now I find it intolerable。 I would be extremely surprised if it was a man, given how well she or he writes the inner dialogue of 2 women 💀🤯I really like the audiobook narrator, so I hope I’m not being overly biased by that。 But these books are SO GOOD。 I’m devastated and outraged and satisfied and starting book 4 immediately。 In fact, I’m not on WiFi right now so can’t download it yet and the next 10 minutes seem interminable to me。Also the mystery of Elena Ferrante herself was initially fun but now I find it intolerable。 I would be extremely surprised if it was a man, given how well she or he writes the inner dialogue of 2 women。 But supposedly a male journalist is one of the top suspects。 I want to know!! 。。。more

Celina

I'm still working my way through this volume, but I can't figure out how to keep private notes in Goodreads, so I'm adding them here。At first, I felt that this volume was richer, but a bit less engaging。 Now, I find myself stunned by her examination of gender relations, friendship between men and women; her exploration of how (most? some?) women keep so much of themselves in their mind instead of voice; and the more explicit description and critique of the labor and union movements as they were I'm still working my way through this volume, but I can't figure out how to keep private notes in Goodreads, so I'm adding them here。At first, I felt that this volume was richer, but a bit less engaging。 Now, I find myself stunned by her examination of gender relations, friendship between men and women; her exploration of how (most? some?) women keep so much of themselves in their mind instead of voice; and the more explicit description and critique of the labor and union movements as they were in Italy 。。。more

Donna

The setting for this one is Italy。 I loved that part and the Italian names。 I liked the writing in this one。 It was a little heavy when it came to all of the introspection, but it seemed to work。I liked the history of the characters and how they were trying to navigate their present circumstances。 But what I had a problem with was all of the unreasonable expectations。 I wondered if it was just a cultural thing or if they just needed to be hammered out a little more。 I'm not sure。 But this kind o The setting for this one is Italy。 I loved that part and the Italian names。 I liked the writing in this one。 It was a little heavy when it came to all of the introspection, but it seemed to work。I liked the history of the characters and how they were trying to navigate their present circumstances。 But what I had a problem with was all of the unreasonable expectations。 I wondered if it was just a cultural thing or if they just needed to be hammered out a little more。 I'm not sure。 But this kind of thing created a bit of a disconnect for me。 So all in all, 3 stars。 。。。more

Matilde Charrua

Great book! I absolutely loved this tetralogy and it has made me realize what type of book I enjoy the most。 the story, the writing, the characters, everything in perfect in this series。

May Pua

The love and hate between 2 friends getting intense。

Dawn

Better yet than the first two。 Maybe because it was a little more relatable?

Cydni Seifert

Well, sh*t, here we go again。 I'm reserving most of my thoughts on the overarching themes of this series until I finish the fourth book。 I did not expect this series to immerse me as a reader into such profound meditations on gender, labor politics, and even ideas of epistemological truth (I was not ready for this!!!)。 Lenu's observations about female creativity and thought mirrored many sentiments in one of my favorite feminist texts, Hélène Cixous' "The Laugh of the Medusa。" Ferrante has craft Well, sh*t, here we go again。 I'm reserving most of my thoughts on the overarching themes of this series until I finish the fourth book。 I did not expect this series to immerse me as a reader into such profound meditations on gender, labor politics, and even ideas of epistemological truth (I was not ready for this!!!)。 Lenu's observations about female creativity and thought mirrored many sentiments in one of my favorite feminist texts, Hélène Cixous' "The Laugh of the Medusa。" Ferrante has crafted the most intimate, complex narrative of female friendship since Sula。 Never in my life did I think I would read anything even remotely comparable to the relationship between Nel & Sula。 I know the fourth and final book will destroy me, and I'm looking forward to it。 "I discovered everywhere female automatons created by men。 There was nothing of ourselves, and the little there was that rose up in protest immediately became material for their manufacturing。。。The solitude of women's minds is regrettable, I said to myself, it's a waste to be separated from each other, without procedures, without tradition。""Become。 It was a verb that had always obsessed me, but I realized it for the first time only in that situation。 I wanted to become, even though I had never known what。 And I had become, that was certain, but without an object, without a real passion, without a determined ambition。 I had wanted to become something – here was the point – only because I was afraid that Lila would become someone and I would stay behind。 My becoming was a becoming in her wake。 I had to start again to become, but for myself, as an adult, outside of her。" 。。。more

Fabiola

En este libro, Elena Ferrante escribe en este estilo cotidiano casi superficial que ya conocemos。 Los primeros dos tercios de la historia sentí que no me estaba envolviendo, pero Elena tiene la capacidad de lograr que el chismecito te deje picada y no puedas dejar de leerlo。 Creo que ya me aburrió que sus libros no tengan final, afortunadamente al ser este el penúltimo libro es la última vez que logrará salirse con la suya con este truco。Al terminar el libro, sí me quedo satisfecha de conocer un En este libro, Elena Ferrante escribe en este estilo cotidiano casi superficial que ya conocemos。 Los primeros dos tercios de la historia sentí que no me estaba envolviendo, pero Elena tiene la capacidad de lograr que el chismecito te deje picada y no puedas dejar de leerlo。 Creo que ya me aburrió que sus libros no tengan final, afortunadamente al ser este el penúltimo libro es la última vez que logrará salirse con la suya con este truco。Al terminar el libro, sí me quedo satisfecha de conocer un poco más sobre lo que ha pasado en las vidas de Lenù y Lila, y definitivamente intrigada para la última entrega de la saga。 。。。more