The Dark Forest
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Summary
This is the second novel in the "Remembrance of Earth’s Past" near-future trilogy。 Written by the China's multiple-award-winning science fiction author， Cixin Liu。
In Dark Forest， Earth is reeling from the revelation of a coming alien invasion—four centuries in the future。 The aliens' human collaborators have been defeated， but the presence of the sophons， the subatomic particles that allow Trisolaris instant access to all human information， means that Earth's defense plans are exposed to the enemy。 Only the human mind remains a secret。
This is the motivation for the Wallfacer Project， a daring plan that grants four men enormous resources to design secret strategies， hidden through deceit and misdirection from Earth and Trisolaris alike。 Three of the Wallfacers are influential statesmen and scientists， but the fourth is a total unknown。 Luo Ji， an unambitious Chinese astronomer and sociologist， is baffled by his new status。 All he knows is that he's the one Wallfacer that Trisolaris wants dead。
In Dark Forest， Earth is reeling from the revelation of a coming alien invasion—four centuries in the future。 The aliens' human collaborators have been defeated， but the presence of the sophons， the subatomic particles that allow Trisolaris instant access to all human information， means that Earth's defense plans are exposed to the enemy。 Only the human mind remains a secret。
This is the motivation for the Wallfacer Project， a daring plan that grants four men enormous resources to design secret strategies， hidden through deceit and misdirection from Earth and Trisolaris alike。 Three of the Wallfacers are influential statesmen and scientists， but the fourth is a total unknown。 Luo Ji， an unambitious Chinese astronomer and sociologist， is baffled by his new status。 All he knows is that he's the one Wallfacer that Trisolaris wants dead。
Reviews
Lars H
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。"The Dark Forest" is techno- and psychobabble。The universe was created by an intelligent designer with four essential components 1。 space/time 2。 energy/matter 3。 life/DNA 4。 consciousness。 The universe is intelligently designed and cannot work as in "The Dark Forest" EVER。 The science plot is the result of a confused CCP mind。 Without all four components the universe is meaningless and would never have been created。 Life and Consciousness （meaningful information） cannot appear by random mutati 。"The Dark Forest" is techno- and psychobabble。The universe was created by an intelligent designer with four essential components 1。 space/time 2。 energy/matter 3。 life/DNA 4。 consciousness。 The universe is intelligently designed and cannot work as in "The Dark Forest" EVER。 The science plot is the result of a confused CCP mind。 Without all four components the universe is meaningless and would never have been created。 Life and Consciousness （meaningful information） cannot appear by random mutations。 Random mutations destroys information。 Natural selection can only work on what is already present。 The universe was designed for a benign purpose。 Please study prof。 Stephen C。 Meyer。 The Return of the God Hypothesis: Three Scientific Discoveries Revealing the Mind Behind the Universe 。。。more
Steffan
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Struggled with this， but there are still lots of interesting ideas
Andi
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In "Der Dunkle Wald" setzt Cixin Liu die Trisolaris-Erzählung in demselben episodenhaften Stil fort wie in Band 1。 Dabei wechselt die Erzählung immer wieder in schneller Folge zu unterschiedlichen Schauplätzen und Protagonisten。Von den Personen aus Band 1 spielt lediglich der Polizeikommissar Shi Qiang noch eine größere Rolle。 Wie schon in Band 1 schwächelt Cixin Liu etwas bei der überzeugenden Darstellung seiner Protagonisten。 Außer dem Kommissar Shi Qiang werden nur zwei weitere Protagonisten In "Der Dunkle Wald" setzt Cixin Liu die Trisolaris-Erzählung in demselben episodenhaften Stil fort wie in Band 1。 Dabei wechselt die Erzählung immer wieder in schneller Folge zu unterschiedlichen Schauplätzen und Protagonisten。Von den Personen aus Band 1 spielt lediglich der Polizeikommissar Shi Qiang noch eine größere Rolle。 Wie schon in Band 1 schwächelt Cixin Liu etwas bei der überzeugenden Darstellung seiner Protagonisten。 Außer dem Kommissar Shi Qiang werden nur zwei weitere Protagonisten ausführlicher dargestellt: der Politkommissar Zhang Beihei und der Wissenschaftler Luo Ji。 Außerdem fällt auf， dass die für die Handlung bedeutenden Charaktere überwiegend Männer sind。 Anstatt dem Autor （wie einige andere Rezensent*innen） Sexismus vorzuwerfen， würde ich jedoch einfach davon ausgehen， dass sich Cixin Liu mit der Darstellung von Frauencharakteren noch schwerer tut als mit der überzeugenden Herausarbeitung männlicher Personen und es aus diesem Grund lieber bleiben lässt。 Wenn in einem Roman sexistische Personen vorkommen （z。B。 Luo Ji， der sich seine Traumfrau quasi aus dem Katalog bestellt）， heißt das ja noch lange nicht， dass damit auch die Geschichte oder der Autor sexistisch sind。 Immerhin wird Luo Ji im Roman für seine Einstellung auch kritisiert。Die allgemeine Schwäche bei der Darstellung der Protagonisten schmälert die Genialität dieses Romans jedoch kaum， da diese vor allem von der faszinierenden Geschichte und weniger von einzelnen Personen herrührt。 Die ersten beiden Teile von Band 2 spielen noch in der Gegenwart bzw。 einer sehr nahen Zukunft， und wie schon in Band 1 halten sich die Fiction-Elemente hier sehr in Grenzen。 Die meisten technischen und wissenschaftlichen Erklärungen basieren auf heutigen wissenschaftlichen Erkenntnissen und sind nicht reine Fantasiegespinste wie in Star Wars oder ähnlichen Geschichten， die mit „Science“ gar nichts zu tun haben， sondern eher in die Kategorie "Fantasy im Welltall" gehören。 Lediglich die Tatsache， dass die Sophonen （das nahezu einzige Fantasy-Element aus Band 1） jetzt auch eine Echtzeitkommunikation zwischen Erde und Trisolaris ermöglichen， ist wenig realistisch。Im dritten Teil macht die Handlung dann einen Sprung um 200 Jahre in die Zukunft， und hier nehmen die Fiction-Elemente jetzt zwangsläufig zu， da man durchaus davon ausgehen kann， dass es in dieser Zeit Entwicklungen geben wird， die heute noch kaum vorstellbar sind。 Allerdings erfindet Cixin Liu auch weiterhin keine Dinge wie Warp-Antrieb oder Fluxkompensatoren， die nach heutigen wissenschaftlichen Erkenntnissen einfach physikalischer Unsinn sind。 （Ich gebe zu， die Sophonen und der Kälteschlaf fallen möglicherweise in dieselbe Kategorie， aber immerhinhält sich die Anzahl solcher Fantasiegespinste in engen Grenzen）。Im Laufe des Romans habe ich mich gefragt， ob es realistisch ist， anzunehmen， dass sich ein Großteil der Weltbevölkerung mit großem Enthusiasmus auf einen Krieg （bzw。 ein Flucht davor） vorbereitet， der erst 400 Jahre in der Zukunft stattfinden wird （so lange braucht die Invasionsflotte der Trisolarier， um die Erde zu erreichen）。 Daher war ich positiv überrascht， dass Cixin Liu offenbar zu derselben Überlegung gelangt ist。 Nach dem Zeitsprung um 200 Jahre hat die Menschheit die Bedrohung wohl ziemlich aus den Augen verloren。 Obwohl sie nach wie vor mit der Ankunft der Trisolarier rechnen， sind die Menschen aufgrund der erzielten technischen Fortschritte fest davon überzeugt， mit der Gefahr spielend fertig zu werden – bis die „Vorhut“ der Trisolarier im Sonnensystem eintrifft。 。。。more
Peter MacArthur
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The whole book was incredible， and the last 10 minutes sent chills all through my body （in a good way）
Anna Zhdan
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Бросила на 30%
Nick Roark
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Mind-boggling
John Schneider
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ExcellentLike the science fiction of Asimov， “The Dark Forest” combines interesting characters， exceptional pacing， and big ideas。 I highly recommend it。
saya
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如果说看完三体觉得大刘是个很优秀很天马行空很会把现实、理论和幻想编织在一起，并能在合理的理论幻想下近乎完美地自圆其说的硬科作家。那写出黑暗森林的大刘就是一位充满思想深度和历史厚重感的大文豪。从我看的速度也能看出来，第二部好看死了！！但是在打开第三部之前我想休息一下，今天一口气看了超过三分之一，外加欧洲杯生物钟稀碎，我现在真是精疲力尽。大概会把我的三体看完再去打开第三部吧。
Adam
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This story 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 amazing wow good book 2 of 3 series
Chandler Robertson
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Ahh， so good。 I still don't understand half the science in this book but I don't care。 I love diving headfirst into this world and I am so convinced this could be a true story or a very real depiction of our future （although this has my entirely convinced we should not contact other life forms in space ever）。 Very excited to read the final book in this trilogy。 Ahh， so good。 I still don't understand half the science in this book but I don't care。 I love diving headfirst into this world and I am so convinced this could be a true story or a very real depiction of our future （although this has my entirely convinced we should not contact other life forms in space ever）。 Very excited to read the final book in this trilogy。 。。。more
Boris
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Ми… бая скучно ми беше。 За разлика от първата част。Хареса ми， че книгата върви по отъпкания от Фондация на Азимов път。 Но и в крайна сметка не ме изненада нищо。 Може би защото точно преди Тъмна гора четох Фондация， или по някяква друга причина， но тази част по никакъв начин не ме накара да прелиствам с интерес както беше с Трите тела。
Ami Iida
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my favorite sf
Aditya Vidhate
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Such a grand book！ Absolutely loved the expansion of my mind the immense scope of this story pushed me to do。Cixin Liu's imagination runs on steroids for sure and he makes yours chase it like a comet's tail。 I especially love the way he introduces very simple ideas with vast implications and the way he takes these ideas forward， poking it from every angle， making it evolve into a beast of thoughts， until eventually you are bound to take a deep breath and believe the unbelievable that the grandeu Such a grand book！ Absolutely loved the expansion of my mind the immense scope of this story pushed me to do。Cixin Liu's imagination runs on steroids for sure and he makes yours chase it like a comet's tail。 I especially love the way he introduces very simple ideas with vast implications and the way he takes these ideas forward， poking it from every angle， making it evolve into a beast of thoughts， until eventually you are bound to take a deep breath and believe the unbelievable that the grandeur you just experienced truly originated from the same simple fundamental idea。Three Body Problem was the seed。 Dark Forest is a wonderfully grand， complex yet simple tree that Cixin grew it into。Damn nice SciFi， this one。 Don't forget to take a deep breath after you finish reading。 。。。more
Macquart
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I like the story， but the Chinese patriotism looks so much like raw propaganda that it killed my enthusiasm for the books。 The writing could be better， there are lengthy pages that are supposed to be poetic by fail to hit the mark， and sometimes things are exposed in dialogues when I feel like it distorts the characters in order to make the exposition fit。Overall， not much surprise to expect from the story， and not much depth to take out of the characters either。 All that's left is that reading I like the story， but the Chinese patriotism looks so much like raw propaganda that it killed my enthusiasm for the books。 The writing could be better， there are lengthy pages that are supposed to be poetic by fail to hit the mark， and sometimes things are exposed in dialogues when I feel like it distorts the characters in order to make the exposition fit。Overall， not much surprise to expect from the story， and not much depth to take out of the characters either。 All that's left is that reading a very pro-China story is interesting for a try。 I feel that it doesn't deserve its positive reputation。 。。。more
Marcos Carmona
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Te anima a terminar la trilogía。
Cory
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Man this book was disappointing。 I loved the three body problem。 It had moments where it dragged on a bit but as a whole the book was excellent。 Well this book， it just dragged a whole lot。
Timo Koole
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De 2e las een stuk beter weg dan de eerste， alhoewel ik die ook al goed vond。 Op een gegeven moment zie je wel een beetje waar het boek naar toe gaat， maar toch gebeurt het dan niet niet helemaal hoe je het verwacht had。 Zowel thema's als karakters erg sterk De 2e las een stuk beter weg dan de eerste， alhoewel ik die ook al goed vond。 Op een gegeven moment zie je wel een beetje waar het boek naar toe gaat， maar toch gebeurt het dan niet niet helemaal hoe je het verwacht had。 Zowel thema's als karakters erg sterk 。。。more
Kirk
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3。6🌟第二部跟第一部基本没有关系。第一部是因为又是秦始皇又是牛顿就听不下去了。黑暗森林整书好像就是在为结尾的战舰被毁灭铺垫。而这次被灭的原因，竟是金庸那句“天下武功，唯快不破”。如果一个文明那么先进，派出个水滴都能“无瑕”，是否还需要费那么多时间，跟你玩秀拳头那种一个一个撞掉那么无技术含量的游戏。人类文明200年后应该早已摆脱“快”的游戏，毕竟今天的量子计算机、量子纠缠就已经甩开了爱因斯坦的物理体系。我科幻看的不多，毕竟作者需要很多科技知识和奇幻的想象力，写好不易。整体而言，三体是个好问题，框架也是好框架。但落实到细节我觉得不够好。我是看了“老高与小末”的YouTube才决定继续看书的。以今天的标准，我给不了太高的分。
Fernando
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El comienzo de la lectura me impresiona， donde una hormiga es su total protagonista recorriendo un carácter chino， dándole una importancia espiritual increíble y uno se da cuenta de su valor en la vida; con solo ese detalle me animó a continuar la aventura que empezaba a disfrutar。 Una lectura que apasiona， disfrutando cada detalle y cada personaje; la historia va creciendo en emoción， en acción， es una historia de ciencia ficción diferente， bien narrada que no tiene pierde alguno。 Disfrútenla a El comienzo de la lectura me impresiona， donde una hormiga es su total protagonista recorriendo un carácter chino， dándole una importancia espiritual increíble y uno se da cuenta de su valor en la vida; con solo ese detalle me animó a continuar la aventura que empezaba a disfrutar。 Una lectura que apasiona， disfrutando cada detalle y cada personaje; la historia va creciendo en emoción， en acción， es una historia de ciencia ficción diferente， bien narrada que no tiene pierde alguno。 Disfrútenla a quien se arriesgue a penetrar ésta aventura。 。。。more
Jamie
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The Dark Forest was very beautiful in an abstract， scientific way， similar to the first book， The Three Body Problem。 Liu created an extremely compelling portrait of how life on Earth would develop given the unthinkable: a looming future of total extinction。 Long after characters and plot details have grown hazy in my mind， I'll remember concepts of cosmic civilization， sophons， strong interaction material， microwave electricity， underground cities， and splintering political entities。 But， all t The Dark Forest was very beautiful in an abstract， scientific way， similar to the first book， The Three Body Problem。 Liu created an extremely compelling portrait of how life on Earth would develop given the unthinkable: a looming future of total extinction。 Long after characters and plot details have grown hazy in my mind， I'll remember concepts of cosmic civilization， sophons， strong interaction material， microwave electricity， underground cities， and splintering political entities。 But， all that aside， it has to be said: the "romance" （and treatment of female characters in general） is infuriating。 Luo Ji's wife especially。 Everything about how she was described dripped of "this （perfect） girl is not like the other （vapid， stupid， shallow） girls。。。。。。 she likes art。。。。 and is unconcerned with makeup。。。。 and she never gets mad and has no character flaws。" Honestly， I didn't have as much of a problem with that when she was imaginary - an unrealistic fantasy revealing the traits Luo Ji admires in women。 But then， she appeared in real life， exactly as she was in his imagination。 It's not just her either。 Every female character seems to be more emotionally soft than their male counterparts， and they almost never have any agency in the story。 Disappointing， since I felt like the first book was much better on this front。 Maybe there just weren't enough female characters to make it apparent though。 Ah well。 Overall I'm glad I read it， but I don't think I'll read the final installment in the trilogy。Verdict: 3。5/5。 Great science， great aliens， ehh characters。 。。。more
Raghupathy
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Wonderful science fictionI am not a regular science fiction reader but this book can convert me into one。 An amazing and wonderful page turner of a book。
Marycarmen Knox
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Very interesting follow up to the Three Body Problem。
Joshua Duran-Carlson
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Some fascinating concepts dragged down slightly by mostly cardboard characters， although it was an improvement over the first book in that regard。 Also， it felt like there was almost no effort made to make the dialogue sound natural to a native English speaker， which was odd since the prose overall was very well done。
Robert G。
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So much profundity hidden （？） in a science fiction book。 I can’t think of the last time a book provoked philosophical thoughts that lingered with me for days。 Vastly exceeds the first book in the series。
Paul Delgado
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Bueno el libro， pero muy extenso diria yo， mucha informacion que no aporta mucho a la trama pero de todas formas es entretenido。。。。 personalmente no leere la tercera （parte final） pues veo en comentarios que es mas de lo mismo y mas extenso。。。。
Jenny Trick
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3。5/5 stars。 For me， this book started out really strong， but by the end I just wanted it to get to the point。 There were a lot of cool ideas introduced。 I found the wallfacer project， as well as the future society to be super interesting。 The ending of the book felt very anti-climactic to me though， and there was nothing surprising about it。 I’m curious as to where the third book is going to go， because this book could have been the end of it。
Michael
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As always， if you don't like spoilers， then why on Earth are you reading a review？My wife bought The Three Body Problem for me a couple years ago， and I enjoyed it。 What it lacked in characterization it made up for with interesting ideas and a solid pacing。This book is the reverse - way too much characterization， to the point that I don't care about the pacing because anyone who's supposed to be a protagonist is a sociopath。 In one scene Luo Ji is explaining his understanding of the cosmic situa As always， if you don't like spoilers， then why on Earth are you reading a review？My wife bought The Three Body Problem for me a couple years ago， and I enjoyed it。 What it lacked in characterization it made up for with interesting ideas and a solid pacing。This book is the reverse - way too much characterization， to the point that I don't care about the pacing because anyone who's supposed to be a protagonist is a sociopath。 In one scene Luo Ji is explaining his understanding of the cosmic situation to Shi Quiang in terms of malice and benevolence。 This happens just after Luo Ji has learned he successfully blew up a star that had 4 planets。 And then there's the female characters with no agency。 Don't get me started on the prepubescent fantasy of Luo Ji's wife after the madcapping of the previous girl he was dating and all that maudlin fluff about "imagining the perfect girl" because another girl *wanted* him to do it， so he did， and fell in love with the *imagined* girl （ie - his own narcissistic self， ultimately） to which the other girl smiles and waves sadly goodbye。 And from an idea standpoint， the moment the entire earth fleet trucked out to meet the "no inertia" ball from a cross between Flight of the Navigator and Explorers to get blown up Arkanoid style I just irllol'd。 And then going so far as to talk about "future history。 Oof。The book does have a long-game payoff。 Perhaps I'd be less irritated with it if it had been a bit of a shorter game （a similar complaint I made about Anna Burns' Milkman。） I'm finishing the third book because， as the two stars indicate， there were some interesting ideas and I'd like to see how it concludes。 What I don't care about is the。。。 It's not a power fantasy， perhaps a "preciousness" fantasy？ of Luo Ji being the only person the Tri-Solarans want to kill。PS: Why wasn't Shi Quiang Luo Ji's wallbreaker？ I mean， after the stunt with the married couple， that would have been the obvious （albeit heavy-handed） choice。 After all， he disappeared from the book at the end。 After Luo Ji explained "The Dark Forest"， Shi could have said "I am your Wallbreaker！" And then Luo would say， "That's really dark。" 。。。more
Arctic
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read the first awhile ago and it took a long time to get through for me。 I started this one too a few years back and the prologue seemed to drag。 but I picked it up again recently and the chapters just flew by this time。 I think once you get past the prologue （which is important so pay attention！） it gets more engaging。 Depressing as hell by the end even with the resolution， and some of the plot development was a little too far fetched along the way， even for scifi imho。 still a worthwhile read read the first awhile ago and it took a long time to get through for me。 I started this one too a few years back and the prologue seemed to drag。 but I picked it up again recently and the chapters just flew by this time。 I think once you get past the prologue （which is important so pay attention！） it gets more engaging。 Depressing as hell by the end even with the resolution， and some of the plot development was a little too far fetched along the way， even for scifi imho。 still a worthwhile read with some intriguing ideas。 I'll read the third one， eventually， after i take a breather。 。。。more
Víctor Álvarez
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Some SciFi is about solving problems with what you currently have， and that's something Cixin Liu understands。 The main problem is his storytelling is rather dull and uninteresting， and sometimes I just feel there are paragraphs wasted on nothing useful。 Or at least the translation is。 I think the narration is better the further away he strays from physics and focuses on human nature。Part I is， for lack of a better word， boring。 Cixin Liu lays the foundation for solving the problem presented at Some SciFi is about solving problems with what you currently have， and that's something Cixin Liu understands。 The main problem is his storytelling is rather dull and uninteresting， and sometimes I just feel there are paragraphs wasted on nothing useful。 Or at least the translation is。 I think the narration is better the further away he strays from physics and focuses on human nature。Part I is， for lack of a better word， boring。 Cixin Liu lays the foundation for solving the problem presented at the end of The Three-Body Problem with some troublesome characters。 One of which is our protagonist， Luo Ji， a hedonist bum who has a "waifu 4 laifu" and asks the UN to print her on a pillow so he can have his own pixie manic dream girl with Stockholm Syndrome。 Why is he important？ I dunno， maybe because he talked to Ye Wenjie in the Prologue， who asked him to come up with psychohistory but named here as "Cosmic Sociology，" and shed pretty much did all the work。 Still doesn't answer the question why he is important。Part II is when things turn really SciFicy and we can see the consequences of the decisions made in Part I。 I had hopes the book would get better but I only got disappointed。 There's an episode with a --let's call it-- droplet， and you dear reader know what's about to happen， you feel in your bones you're 110% certain of what is to come but there are paragraphs upon paragraphs of useless exposition that at the end of the day don't matter because the events happen exactly how you were expecting them to happen， in lengthy paragraphs may I add。 I don't want to call the ship captains/admirals dumb but， boy， they are idiots。Finally， the grand finale comes， the ultimate resolution for the conflict of the centuries， and it was underwhelming。 I didn't learn from the underwhelming conclusion to The Three-Body Problem。 Now I've learned my lesson and I expect to be underwhelmed by Death's End。 。。。more
Kunyi Li
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UFO算什么。这才是蓝图
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